I think 'lucent' would be " fe'nyes " (or perhaps " vila'gos "), where 
the apostrophes stand for accentuation marks. FYI there is a dictionary 
at <http://hix.mit.edu/cgi-bin/szotar/cgi-bin/ekezet.no/hix/szotar/>; - 
but that only has entries for 'bright' (and 'translucent').

--
 Zoli , keeper of <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>;
# Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
# form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
# Usenet: welcome to the next level.           (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

On 12 Feb 1996, R. Weisz wrote:

> 
> The Company I work for has just been re-named:
> "Lucent Technologies" - formerly a part of AT&T.
> 
> The word "lucent" is not in my English-Hungarian 
> dictionary.  Can someone translate for me, please.
> 
> Thank you.  Koszonom.
> 
> Robert
>   
> 
> 
> 
>

Karl Bogos wrote:
> 
> To make it easier to read Hungarian correspondence, why not use the "Alt"
> key followed by a three character code to put Hungarian letters in the
> text. Just look them up in your DOS or MAC manual most characters are
> displayable
> 
> Üdvözöl
> 
> Karl.

It's true, we -writing in Hungarian- should put out the diacriticals, 
which, besides fulfilling their "formal" functions land magyar some of 
its unique flavor. I remember when for the first time I saw "plain" 
magyar (magyar without diacriticals) I almost went into a shock and was 
filled with loathing. How ugly it was: the magyar of the electric-age!
The shape of "electro-Hungarian" is as ugly as Dewy's simplified English 
orthography (simplified English spelling). Magyar whithout diacriticals, 
like Dewy's English spelling looses a great deal of it's soul and poetic 
quality. It's good only for information exchange.

Alas, since I myself have taken to the airways, I've come to realize the 
plight of even the best intentioned and most squeamish of writers of 
magyar. Alt plus the 3 keystrokes would (provided your mailer's editor 
can handle it), at least, double the time it would take to write the same 
length of text. I tried for a while to be consistent. But as my 
correspondence increased, I would be less consistent until one day I 
accepted "electro-magyar". The curse of a language that's so full of 
those wonderful diacriticals.

Those of us who have been forced to give up the diacriticals on the 
electric waves should make every effort not to allow this to become a 
habit which we would carry into our non-electro-waves writing activities 
and never to loose our sense for the shape of the magyar language.

In article >, 
(schoonjans) wrote:

> In article
> >, Ricardo
> Alberto Miranda > wrote:
> 
> > On 1 Feb 1996, Monica Fernandez wrote:
> > 
> > > Ola, vou tentar de novo mandar alguma outra maneira de dizer i love you 
> > > (acho que houve um pequeno erro, desculpa :))
> > > 
> > > Espanhol: te quiero ou te amo
> > > Catalao: t'estimo 
> > > Francaise: je t'aime.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> 
> Polish: kocham cie
Russian Tevoyevo loobloo

Hi all hungarians here on the internet,

This summer me and my dutch-hungarian boyfriend will be going to
hungary to visit his family and basicly travel the whole country.

We thought about buying an old car here in Holland and drive it to 
hungary. Since we can't use it here, because it's too expensive to
park and all, we'd like to sell it in Hungary.
Does any of you know if this is possible?
Does anybody know which cars are most in favor and whether we can 
exchange the hungarian currency into other currencies.
My boyfriend has an hungarian passport so maybe this will help us.
I hope someone in this group has some information for us.

Please reply to: 

Thanks,

Sanne Nolst Trenite

T. Kocsis > wrote:
>In article > Oliver Fiorini,
 writes:
>>...
>
>>It has been practiced by dictators, religious leaders, crusading newspaper
>>editors, petty tyrants, and  wild eyed and narrow minded minions of smarter
>>self serving leaders, since humans have lived in groups larger than families.
  
>
>Believe or not: it origins from China, form taoism. It is thought that
>when 
>a bad thing got a new name the bad thing became better (in best
>case:good).
>
>It seems it does not work however. Only the new word becomes pejorative
>very fast.
>
>Tamás

Tamas

I think Oliver makes a perfectly valid point, namely that "political 
correctness" just like affirmative action can be and is used as a tool of 
oppression.  It is used to influence and to control public opinion.  The 
article calls attention to the imminent danger of losing our most 
important right: freedom of speech.  Perhaps this is not as easily seen
if you don't live in North America (you seem to be writing from Zurich:-)
I think it is working, though in a way quite different from the original 
taoist intention- unfortunately, most aspects of this movement are 
justified by it.

I have to tell you I am a bit intimidated by your presence here on SCM, 
though I don't mean to be derogatory-- I guess you are simply excercising 
your freedom of expression like anybody else here...

cheers

Karesz  ;-)

In article >,
    (Odor Tibor) wrote:
>
>Subject: Re: SCM atszervezes - keeper of Hungarian faq figyelmebe
> On 09 Feb 96 Peter Szaszvari wrote:
>
>Joseph Toth, Internet Publisher wrote:
>>>... Nyilvan
>>>senki nem kivanja korlatozni barmely lista jogat hogy az www hypertext
>>>megjelenites-
>>>hez jusson a USENET-en, ...
>
>>Kiveve azt a kis tenyt, hogy "www hypertext megjelenites az USENET-en" nem 
>>letezik kedves internet publisher (magyaran: marhasag). :)
>
>Hat, probald ki a http://altavista.digital.com cimu keresot, ugy, hogy
>az Useneten keresel. Hat, ez WWW is meg Usenet is. Ugyan kuldeni nem
>tudsz, de olvasni igen. Igy ugytunik, megiscsak van az a bizonyos
>"www hypertext megjelenites az USENET"-nek (mas  a rag).
>
>Persze, nem tudom, mire gondolt eredetileg 
>Joseph Toth, ---szerintem egyszeruen elgepelt valamit---de nekem amit irt, 
>az emlitettek fenyeben nem tunik olyan nagy marhasagnak, megha nem is
>tunik szerencsesnek.
>
>De mi lenne, ha mar egyszer a lenyeggel is foglalkoznal, nem csak  
>szarragassal?

Szamomra mas a lenyeg. Peldaul a magyar nyelv hasznalata. Peldaul a butasag 
visszaszoritasa. P.A. Joseph_Toth nevu enje internet publishernek adja ki 
magat. Ez rendkivul erdekes, elvezetes dolog. Szeretnem viszont P.A.-t 
osztonozni, hogy karakteret mivesebben formalja meg. Azaz az internet 
publisher foglalkozasu klonnak illene erteni az internettel kapcsolatos szavak 
jelenteset.
Kerdem en, ha bemondom a telefonba: "http://altavista.digital.com" akkor 
megjelenitettem a world wide web-et a telefonhalozaton?
Valamelyest On is felreertesben leledzik Odor ur. Amikor on a fent emlitett 
lapot nezi mar egy www browsert hasznal. A www browserek kepesek sokkal tobb 
mindenre mint www. Azaz a WWW integralja tobb modon a Usenetet, Gophert, FTP-t 
es meg sok mast. Mindazonaltal WWW-t Useneten megjeleniteni epp ugy nem lehet 
mint telefonon. Lehet viszont reklamozni :)

SzP.



--------------------------------------
Peter Szaszvari
http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm
--------------------------------------

In article >,
    wrote:
[szokasos torolve]

>Joseph Toth

Szomoruan latom, hogy nem internet publisher tobbe. Mi most?



--------------------------------------
Peter Szaszvari
http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm
--------------------------------------

In article > Karoly Huszar,
 writes:
>I have to tell you I am a bit intimidated by your presence here on SCM,

Why ?!?

Tamás

In article > Gabrielle Paine,
 writes:
>I saw a 5 minute report on CNN Headline News the other night stating that 
>there is a huge year-long festival planned for Budapest this 
>year...making it the most interesting time to visit this century. 

That's true.

>1100 years...is that age of Budapest or of Hungary? 

Neither of them. The Hungarian tribes conquested and settled down
in the Carpathian basin in 895-96. Hungary became kingdom 'offic-
ially' later, in 1000.
Budapest is much younger city , hundred something year old,  two
town were joined together Buda and Pest. Our old, original capital
was Székesfehérvár, Buda was chosen as capital later (It was es-
tablished by the Romans and was called Aquincum then). 

You may find further interesting details on this homepage:

http://exo.com/%7Efredh/honf.htm

which is dedicated to this millcentenarium.

Tamás

On Feb 12, 1996 00:55:06 in article <Re: The Hungarians in Transylvania>,
 (Matyas )' wrote: 
 
>In article >,  

>(Alexander N. Bossy) writes: |> On Feb 10, 1996 00:39:47 in article <The  
>Hungarians in Transylvania>, |> 'Anthony Malczanek
>'  
>wrote: |>   
>|> >After World War I, the Treaty of Trianon in 1920:  Transylvania   
>|> >becomes part of Romania.  
>|> >Hungarians living in this area become a minority. |>   
>|> Hi Anthony:  
>|>   
>|> You've got to be careful in what you say.  While the Hungarians were
the |>  
>politically dominant population in Transylvania (as they were throughout
|> the  
>Hungarian half of the Dual Monarchy) before Trianon, they in no way |>  
>constituted anything approaching a majority of the population in |>  
>Transylvania (nor in the Kingdom of Hungary, for that matter). |>
Consequently,  
>they did not "become minority".  They had been, and continued |> to be, a 

>minority.  
>|>   
>|> Alexander 
> 
>Hi Alexander! 
> 
>There is one thing (at least) I don't really understand concerning these  
>threads: why should the Hungarians (and those writing from a non-Romanian
point  
>of view) be the ones who "have to be careful in what" they "say". 
 
I didn't mean to imply that only Hungarians (or only non-Romanians) should
be careful; given the very real problem of inter-ethnic tensions, both
sides should be careful.  Misstatements are only going to exacerbate those
tensions. 
 
> Anthony made  
>a statement he believes. 
 
He may believe it, however if he does, he is wrong; for example, the 1910
census clearly indicates that Transylvania had an absolute ethnic Romanian
majority BEFORE Trianon. 
 
> You cannot prove by any means that Romanians have  
>always been the majority in Transylvania. 
 
That happens to be irrelevant to the subject at issue: namely whether
Hungarians "became a minority" after Trianon.  Moreover, I've never claimed
that I can. 
 
> So I think you should also be careful in stating that  
>Hungarians "had been and continued to be a minority" in Transylvania, 
 
Why? What can anyone disagree with in the statement?  Weren't the
Hungarians a minority population within Transylvania beforeTrianon?  Aren't
they still a minority? 
 
> because  
>their minority status has only developed as the result of the
sneak-invasion  
>(migration) of Transylvania by Romanians. 
 
Or rather "as a result of the ... invasion (migration) of Transylvania by"
Magyars ;-) 
 
Alexander

>Mark/Oliver Fiorini > writes:
     >
     >An uninitiated and  innocent person is overwhelmed when is accused 
     >by a rightous guardian of P.C. of  having done or communicated 
     >something contrary to their beliefs and interests.
     >
     >There is nothing new about political correctness. It is just  another 
     >term for some sort of authority deciding what is acceptable to think 
     >and what is not.
     >
     >It has been practiced by dictators, religious leaders, crusading 
     >newspaper editors, petty tyrants, and  wild eyed and narrow minded 
     >minions of smarter self serving leaders, since humans have lived in 
     >groups larger than families.  
     >
     >It is by no means limited to any particular political group.  It must 
     >be identified for exactly  what it is : It is simply an attempt to 
     >silence opposition through intimidation. 
     >
     >Mark
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     an interesting point.    
     
     but demagogues come in all colors.  for instance, if we are to believe 
     people such as rush limbaugh (in the us), it is something close to 
     left_wing fascism, to liberalism (a dreaded word in his vocabulary).  
     in that context, it is simply used as another cheap label to designate 
     political/ideological opponents in order to dismiss and marginalize 
     their opinions.  
     
     generally, throwing around labels (political buzzwords) without 
     argumentative substance and in the wrong context does not steer a 
     debate towards a constructive direction.  it is a sure sign that the 
     perpetrator has run out of arguments, and thus lost the debate.  
     
     and also being overwhelmed and/or intimidated is not an excuse;  it is 
     a cop_out. 
     
     rgds,
     
     -cristian

On 12 Feb 1996  wrote:
> "Nemzet" negotiated with Batthyany-Foundation the use of their material,
> both by phone and fax. No objection. To "third party volunteers", meddling
> in a BLA-Nemzet issue, the message is brief: "mind your own business".

 In this respect see the first party's message (in Hungarian) included
below my signature. In particular notice the end of the first paragraph: 
WITHOUT OUR [BLA's] PERMISSION ("engedelyunk nelkul").

[...]
> Hollosi az MIT.EDU-n naponta utankozli ezt a Soc.Culture.Magyar-t!

 Amint ezt mar letargyaltuk: Hollosi semmit sem kozol az "MIT.EDU"-n, es 
az SCM lista egyebkent is egyszeruen news-to-email gateway, nem utankozles.

--
 Zoli , keeper of <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>;
# Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
# form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
# Usenet: welcome to the next level.           (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

From:  (Batthyany Lajos Alapitvany)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: --- BLA Sajtoszemle (engedely nelkul: Nemzet) ---
Date: 31 Oct 1995 19:16:37 EST
Message-ID: >
NNTP-Posting-Host: hix.mit.edu

Tudomasunkra jutott, hogy Alapitvanyunk napi sajtoszemlejet,
amely a WWW lapunkon a http://www.hungary.com/bla/sajto/
alatt lathato, a @siliconvalley.com cimrol Nemzet neven
tovabbterjesztik, engedelyunk nelkul.

Az engedely nelkuli terjesztoket felszolitottuk a tevekenyseguk
beszuntetesere. Kerjuk, ha Onokhoz tovabbi engedely nelkul
terjesztett peldanyokat kuldenek, ertesitsenek bennunket a
 cimen.

A vasarnap kivetelevel mindennap megjeleno sajtoszemlenk ingyenesen
megrendelheto a kovetkezo cimen:

         

A sajtoszemle 123 ekezetes jelolessel is olvashato:

         

Udvozlettel,
Batthyany Lajos Alapitvany
>

 (Matyas ) wrote:
     >
     >You cannot prove by any means that Romanians have always been the
     >majority in Transylvania. I don't know about any historical evidence 
     >proving this up to very close to Trianon (and then it still was a 
     >rather close call).
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     depends what you consider by close to trianon.  actually, from a 
     population survey sometime in the 18th century, romanians were found 
     to be in majority in transylvania.  if you insist, i'll give you the 
     exact reference.
     
     rgds,
     
     -cristian
     
     ps:
     
     however, i do not intend to re_hash this already beaten_to_death 
     subject (if i can avoid it ;-).  it has become pretty boring.  check 
     the hungarian faq for previous debates.

Naturland Canada a subsidiary of Naturland Hungary is looking for
distributors of our line of herbal health products.  These are all
Hungarian best sellers.  For more information e-mail .

Saludos.

        Trucutu.

In article >,
    (Odor Tibor) wrote:
>Subject: Re: SCM atszervezes - keeper of Hungarian faq figyelmebe
>On  09 Feb 1996 Peter Szaszvari wrote:
>Nem bizony. Legalabbis remenyeink szerint. Mindenesetre jo tudni, hogy 
>ellenzed te is a listakat az SCM-en. Remelem szamithatunk szvazatodra. 
>Kivancsi lennek, mi lenne a velemenyed, a listak eltavolitasanak 
>mikentjerol.
>
>Odor Tibor
>
Csak azt tudom elkepzelni, hogy szepen megkerjuk a kuldot, ne tegye.



--------------------------------------
Peter Szaszvari
http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm
--------------------------------------

In article >,
    (Odor Tibor) wrote:
>Akkor nem erted a demokraciat kaboca. A demokracia egyik leglenyegesebb
>pontja, hogy a kozfunkciok gyakorloi levalthatok, raadasul adott szabalyok 
>szerint. Itt legfeljebb azon lehet vita, hogy Fekete kozfunkciot gyakorol, 
>vagy nem.
>
>Szerintem igen, es mint ilyen levalthato. Persze, O aztan olyan infokat
>kuld be, amit akar. De azt ne nevezze, es ne is nevezhesse ugy, hogy 
>"hungarian faq", mikor nem az. Hanem csak egy idehaza egyre 
>nepszerutlenedo, de annal agresszivabb csoport altal fenntartott 
>"dezinformation package".
>
>Egyebkent mi tortent veled? A "demokrata" helyett
>nem fasisztat akartal mondani elvtarsam? Csak azert mondom, mert
>eddig meg mindig azt mondtak a hozzad hasonlok, mikor szamukra 
>kenyelmetlen velemennyel talalkoztak.
>

Nem vagyok kaboca. Viszont eszembejutott a lenyeg.

FAQ azt jelenti Frequently Asked Questions azaz gyakran feltett kerdesek.
Nem lehet, hogy a hianyolt informaciora A KUTYA SEM VOLT KIVANCSI es igy nem 
kerult bele a FAQ-ba?

Ha P.A. hivhatja magat 3 kulonbozo neven, Fekete Zoli miert nem hivhatja magat 
ahogy akarja? (Persze a kulonbseg oriasi, FZ tesz hasznos dolgokat)

Igaza van a demokraciaban a funkcionariusok levalthatok. Viszont a Usenet nem 
demokracia! Lasd news.announce.newusers-ben a "What is Usenet?" cimu cikket.

Oh kedves Odor ur! On nem ismer engem. Nincsenek hozzam hasonlok, igy nem is 
mondhatom azt amit ok. Nem vagyunk elvtarsak sem, hiszen latja most is milyen 
sok ponton kulonbozik a velemenyunk. Velemenyek pedig nem kenyelmetlenek 
nekem, hanem erdekesek, szorakoztatoak.

SzP.



--------------------------------------
Peter Szaszvari
http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm
--------------------------------------

In article > Hortvet,
 writes:
>suggestions for traditional  Hungarian Valentine's gifts for a 
>lady, i.e. what would a young Hungarian woman like to receive.

You won't find any because it is not a Hungarian feast. Most
Hungarian even don't know what the devil that Valentine's day
is. 

Tamás (whose grandfather's name Bálint/Valentine)

 (Jesus Rafael Lee) wrote:

(Nestor J. Presas ) wrote:


>>>
>>>In German ..........drei und dreissig
>>>
>>>
>>In Quechua...Mirasi seras cojudo

>En mandarín....Wo Ai Ni.

It is not Wo Ai Ni in mandarin.  That means 'I love you'.
Thirty three is 'San Shi San'.

>En tagalo....Mahal kita, iniirog kita o iniibig kita

Abel Teo
Music Director / Conductor
In'choRale

http://www.singnet.com.sg/~abelteo

Antworten an:   
Von:            Laszlo Horvath >
Betreff:        SCM: Re: Just Wondering .......
Absendedatum:   Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:27:35 -0800
Organisation:   Stanford University

Karl Bogos wrote:
> 
> To make it easier to read Hungarian correspondence, why not use the "Alt=
"
> key followed by a three character code to put Hungarian letters in the
> text. Just look them up in your DOS or MAC manual most characters are
> displayable
> 
> =DCdv=F6z=F6l
> 
> Karl.

We have tried using hugarian letters. Even if your keyboard supports 
this characters, it can cause problems in other systems. I can use 
them without problems if I send a message in our local subnet 
(server eatns1: automation engeneering) but if I try them with an 
address outside this subnet (for example department economics, but 
still our campus-net) this letters won't be displayed correctly. I 
can use them, if I send a mail to the Universty in Muenster, but a 
user in Warszawa said he can't read this letters. Using plain 
characters seems to be the only compromis.

Or let's make a test with the signs I can use without the "Alt" key 
(german Keyboard): is anybody there, who can't read correctly 

=E9=F3=ED=F3=FA=F6=FC=E1=DC=D6  ?  

               Gellert Papp

To those interested to see South-Africa

Csupan egy kerdesem lenne:

Ki szabaditotta rank ezt a SiliconValley.com csoportot? (Felolem ugyan
azt irnak be az SCM-be, amit akarnak, elvegre szolasszabadsag van, csak
kivancsi vagyok...)

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
LaLa (Imre Olajos, Jr.) En lenni magyar [8-)  _/ean /\/\ichel _/arre and
WWW : http://homepage.interaccess.com/~lala           -=\/=- angelis fan
Home:  (USA, Chicago suburbs -> GO BULLS!)     __o
Tel.: (708) 691-1622 (also a fax & message recorder)             _-\<,_
Work:  (Lucent, Tel.:1-708-979-3762)         (_)/ (_)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Basically, the subject says it all.  I have a source for
the font but they want $99 for a package which includes
a bunch of other fonts that I really don't need.

Thanks.

T. Kocsis > wrote:
>In article > Karoly Huszar,
 writes:
>>I have to tell you I am a bit intimidated by your presence here on SCM,
>
>Why ?!?
>
>Tamás

You seem to have an (intelligent) comment on just about any topic... 
which is ok...:-)
I guess the relatively low "traffic" on SCM is to be blamed.
I would really like to see hundreds of people posting here and perhaps 
opening up new groups too (fat chance huh?)  This is a great place to  
to discuss and get an unbiased opinion on just about anything.

Karesz

On Feb 10, 1996 00:39:47 in article <The Hungarians in Transylvania>,
'Anthony Malczanek >' wrote: 
 
>After World War I, the Treaty of Trianon in 1920:  Transylvania  
>becomes part of Romania. 
>Hungarians living in this area become a minority. 
 
Hi Anthony: 
 
You've got to be careful in what you say.  While the Hungarians were the
politically dominant population in Transylvania (as they were throughout
the Hungarian half of the Dual Monarchy) before Trianon, they in no way
constituted anything approaching a majority of the population in
Transylvania (nor in the Kingdom of Hungary, for that matter). 
Consequently, they did not "become minority".  They had been, and continued
to be, a minority. 
 
Alexander

On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Faryde Lara Rodriguez wrote:

> Attibabbaus in arabian
> Te amo in spanish
> Ti amo in italian

Nakupenda in Swahili.

On 13 Feb 1996, Gellert Papp wrote:

> Or let's make a test with the signs I can use without the "Alt" key 
> (german Keyboard): is anybody there, who can't read correctly 
> 
>  =E9=F3=ED=F3=FA=F6=FC=E1=DC=D6  ?
 I can read it correctly, but these strings are not the accented letters 
they are supposed to be ;-( - just like you said, the problem is 
transmitting non-standard character codes across different systems (whose 
only common denominator at this time is the English ASCII characters, for 
all practical intents and purposes).

--
 Zoli , keeper of <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>;
# Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
# form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
# Usenet: welcome to the next level.           (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

Hi,

"R. Weisz" > wrote:
>
>The Company I work for has just been re-named:
>"Lucent Technologies" - formerly a part of AT&T.
>
>The word "lucent" is not in my English-Hungarian 
>dictionary.  Can someone translate for me, please.
>
>Thank you.  Koszonom.
>
>Robert

Guess what? My company was renamed to Lucent Technologies, too! ;)

I think, the Hungarian fe'nyes or fe'nylo" comes closest to its
meaning.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
LaLa (Imre Olajos, Jr.) En lenni magyar [8-)  _/ean /\/\ichel _/arre and
WWW : http://homepage.interaccess.com/~lala           -=\/=- angelis fan
Home:  (USA, Chicago suburbs -> GO BULLS!)     __o
Tel.: (708) 691-1622 (also a fax & message recorder)             _-\<,_
Work:  (Lucent, Tel.:1-708-979-3762)         (_)/ (_)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Keresem Katit, akivel egyutt tanultam az orosz nyelvet a MIIS -ban 83-tol
85ig. Debrecenben jartunk a nyari egyetemre 86-ban.
Eric

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On 10 Feb 1996  Joseph Toth wrote:

>Csatlakozom Gotthard Saghi-Szabo javaslatahoz, hogy Fekete mondjon le, 
>illetve ha nem hajlando, szavazzunk, hogy ki legyen a "faq keeper".

Tamogatom.

>Minthogy jelenleg a Magyarorszagi sajto mar "reszben szabadnak" sem
>nevezheto, inditvanyozom hogy egy Szabad Vilagban elo magyar legyen az
>illeto, hogy leg-
>alabb a szemelyes ferditesekre ratelepedo magyarorszagi internet-cenzurazasi
>tervek elorevetulo arnyekat elkeruljuk. Ilyen sulyos problema merulne fel pl=
..,
>ha egy otthoni lenne a "keeper", de  a Dornbach Alajos altal mar
>beharangozott Internet-cenzura pl. valamit "indexre" tenne. Ilyenkor
>szemelyes konfliktust jelentene a "keeper"-nek, hogy vegye be a faq-ba az
>"index"-re tett dolgokat,
>vagy sem. Elkeruljuk a problemat, ha Szabad Vilag-beli "keepert" valasztunk.
>(Fekete ugyanezt olyan sajatos modon keruli el, hogy mar index ELOTT eleve
>agyonhallgatja mindazt amit nem szeret!)

Mivel a mai legnepszerubb part vezetojenek tanacsadoja, aki alkotmany jogasz,
es az alkotmanybirosag egyik, 1993-as hatarozata szerint alkotmanyellenes
ha a mediat es a sajtot kizarolagosan kontrolalja egy politikai csoport,
ezert bizhatunk benne, hogy ez, a jelenlegi allapot, ha kell erovel,
de meg lesz szuntetve, termeszetesen az alkotmanyossag es a jog keretei
kozt.

Odor Tibor



On 10 Feb 96 Frank Gombos wrote:

>Szeretnem megtudni, hogy letezik e informacio a MIEK-rol, Csurka 
>Istvan hazafias activitasarol.

Ugy tudom vannak nemi elokeszuletek a Magyar Forum nevu
politikai es kulturalis hetilap Internet publikalasat illetoen. 
(Egyebken MIEP---Magyar Igazsag es Elet Partja, nem MIEK Csurka partja 
nevenek roviditese. Bocs, ha tudtad. Nem akarom a sast repulni tanitani...)

Tobbet ne kerdezz, mert nem tudok. Szerintem, ha addig Dornbachekat
meg az egesz hazai liberalbolsi bandat nem viszi el az ordog,
meg azt is megerhetjuk, hogy be lesz a lap tiltva, ha mar a most 
megszuletett legfelsobb birosagi itelet ertelmeben gazdasagilag nem
tudtak megsemmisiteni. [Az egesz hercehurcat a lappal meg Antall 
inditotta el. A liberalbolsik nagy oromere. Az orszag "egyetlen"
III/III-asa ellen. ---Persze, konnyen volt, mert sem ot sem ==Demokraciat
nem vilagitottak at.]

Sajnos, ha nem ismered, a laphoz ne fuzz tulzott remenyeket. Nagyon valtozo 
szinvonalu irasokat tesz kozze---velemenyem szerint legalabbis.

Tibor

Odor Tibor



Subject: Re: SCM atszervezes - keeper of Hungarian faq figyelmebe
 On 09 Feb 96 Peter Szaszvari wrote:

Joseph Toth, Internet Publisher wrote:
>>... Nyilvan
>>senki nem kivanja korlatozni barmely lista jogat hogy az www hypertext
>>megjelenites-
>>hez jusson a USENET-en, ...

>Kiveve azt a kis tenyt, hogy "www hypertext megjelenites az USENET-en" nem 
>letezik kedves internet publisher (magyaran: marhasag). :)

Hat, probald ki a http://altavista.digital.com cimu keresot, ugy, hogy
az Useneten keresel. Hat, ez WWW is meg Usenet is. Ugyan kuldeni nem
tudsz, de olvasni igen. Igy ugytunik, megiscsak van az a bizonyos
"www hypertext megjelenites az USENET"-nek (mas  a rag).

Persze, nem tudom, mire gondolt eredetileg 
Joseph Toth, ---szerintem egyszeruen elgepelt valamit---de nekem amit irt, 
az emlitettek fenyeben nem tunik olyan nagy marhasagnak, megha nem is
tunik szerencsesnek.

De mi lenne, ha mar egyszer a lenyeggel is foglalkoznal, nem csak  
szarragassal?

Odor Tibor



On 10 Feb 1996 Szucs Andras wrote:

>Elszaporodtak az "olcso poenok", mert az igazi temakban siri csond lett.

Bezony. Bolsevik taktikak. 

>Bejott a "gondolatkiserlet" Fencsiknel: Ugy latszik az "SZDSZ moratorium"
>a Peto-taxisblokad temaban GLOBALIS. Tiborc/Botond is alaposan "beolvasott",
>de hat ugy latszik mar iszkolnak a patkanyok a sullyedo hajorol. Mar
>vigyaznak megszolalni, nehogy rajuk emlekezzenek majd a fordulat utan.

Apropo, Patkany. De szivesen latnam mar, hogy hogy lesz a Patkanybol
boreger, es azt is hogy repul. Errol meg felelmetesebb a hallgatas. 
Pedig idahaza Goncz nevenek emlitesere szazezer ember uvoltotte okt 22-en, 
hogy Patkany, Patkany. Togyan dr. (az O partja most a legnepszerubb, 
SZDSZ-es uraim, es a Szonda ma kozzetett felmerese szerint megint nyert
par %-ot) is kovetelte a Goncz atvilagitasat. 

Es errol sem beszel senki. Szerintem egyebkent jobb lenne erre e temara 
koncentralni. Ez meg nem lefutott. Ebben meg komoly lehetoseg van.

De ne aggodjon, nincs minden veszve. Kun Belaekat mar ketszer kipucoltuk 
ebben a  szazadban. Most se lesz maskent.

Odor Tibor



On 9 Feb 1996 Gotthard Saghi-Szabo wrote:

Kedves Gotti!

>On 9 Feb 1996, Tibor Odor wrote:
>> Igy jo lenne, ha tobben osszedugnank a fejunket, pl. Saghi-Szabo Gotthard,
>> Joseph Toth, en, es meg akinek kedve van, es megcsinalnank az uj 
>> magyar.faq-t, esetleg automatizalva.

>Szivesen segitek egy uj, targyilagosabb FAQ letrehozasaban, ambar idom 
>sajnos nem engedi hogy a fenntartasaban is reszt vegyek -  helyet 
>szivesen biztositok (WWW-Hypermail, FTP, Gopher, mail). [...]

Nagyszeru.

>  [...] Miutan az uj 
>FAQ-ot osszeallitjuk itt az scm-em, javasolnam azt valamelyik otthoni 
>egyetem vagy foiskola gondozasa ala tenni. [...]

Ritka alkalom, hogy ennyire nem ertunk egyet. Szerintem ebben Joseph Toth
utmutatasa a kovetendo. A hazai politikai elet mind durvabba valasa
es a kekek hihetetlen intoleranciaja, mar-mar terrorja szerintem nem 
engedi, hogy az altalad emlitett megoldast kovessuk. 

Itthon hatalmas elbocsatasi hullam varhato az egyetemeken, es 
"liberalisaink", a "sajto szabadsag legfobb bajnokai", az =Demokracia
epp most akarjak megszuntetni az utolso ellenzeki napilapot---amelyet 
szemely szerint nem tulzottan kedvelek, de meg mindig jobb mint a 
Nepszabadsag, Magyar(?) Hirlap, Beszelo (Brrrr.) es a Magyar Nemzet
[igen, oket utalom a legjobban, mert az arulokat mindig jobban utalja 
az ember...] egyuttveve.

Tobb baratom maganlevelben irta, hogy nem mer tobbe nyilvanosan
megszolalni, sem az SCM-en, sem a HIX Forumban. Felnek.
Igy en az altalad javasoltakat nem tartom kivihetonek.

Egyebkent az SCM-en valo aktivizalodasom is ezzekkel a tapasztalatokkal
fugg ossze.  Akkor kell szolni, mikor felnek az emberek. Akkor szazszor 
annyit er minden szo. 

>Ilyen modon egy csoport es nem 
>egy - konnyen megtevesztheto, marginalis - egyen tudna azt remelhetoleg 
>elfogulatlanul, napra keszen tartani.

Szerintem optimista vagy, hogy a Fekete Zoltan egy 
"konnyen megtevesztheto, marginalis" szemely. Szerintem egy komoly 
bajkevero. Persze, 
nekunk akkor nem kell a Hollosit reklamozni, ha marad minden a regiben.
Bar en ezt nem igen szeretnem, es a jelenlegi politikai helyzetben nem
is igazan hiszem.
 
>Talan a magyar honlap fenntartoi, vagy a Wagner lista tulajdonosai keszek 
>lennenek erre (ok a legtobb informaciot elsokezbol kapjak). En ugy latom, a 
>nyiregyhazi foiskolasok is az aktivabb csoportok koze tartoznak, csakugy 
>mint a szegedi egyetem szamitogepesei, valoszinuleg ok is szivesen 
>vallalkoznanak egy magyar FAQ karbantartasara. 

Utananezek.

Tibor

Odor Tibor



Subject: Re: SCM atszervezes - keeper of Hungarian faq figyelmebe
On  09 Feb 1996 Peter Szaszvari wrote:

>Nagyszeru! Egy lepes elore. Csak remelem, hogy az automatizalas nem megegy 
>benyomott listat jelent.

Nem bizony. Legalabbis remenyeink szerint. Mindenesetre jo tudni, hogy 
ellenzed te is a listakat az SCM-en. Remelem szamithatunk szvazatodra. 
Kivancsi lennek, mi lenne a velemenyed, a listak eltavolitasanak 
mikentjerol.

Odor Tibor



on Mon, 12 Feb Peter Szaszvari wrote: 

>Az olcso poenok mellett volt uzenet is, ami talan elfelejtodott, igy idezem 
>magamat:

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Erdekes, hogy pont a leghangosabb "demokratak" nem ertik, hogy valakit nem 
>lehet "lemondatni" arrol, hogy informaciot tegyen kozze, es nem lehet 
>kenyszeriteni, hogy ha errol ir, irjon arrol is.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Akkor nem erted a demokraciat kaboca. A demokracia egyik leglenyegesebb
pontja, hogy a kozfunkciok gyakorloi levalthatok, raadasul adott szabalyok 
szerint. Itt legfeljebb azon lehet vita, hogy Fekete kozfunkciot gyakorol, 
vagy nem.

Szerintem igen, es mint ilyen levalthato. Persze, O aztan olyan infokat
kuld be, amit akar. De azt ne nevezze, es ne is nevezhesse ugy, hogy 
"hungarian faq", mikor nem az. Hanem csak egy idehaza egyre 
nepszerutlenedo, de annal agresszivabb csoport altal fenntartott 
"dezinformation package".

Egyebkent mi tortent veled? A "demokrata" helyett
nem fasisztat akartal mondani elvtarsam? Csak azert mondom, mert
eddig meg mindig azt mondtak a hozzad hasonlok, mikor szamukra 
kenyelmetlen velemennyel talalkoztak.

Odor Tibor


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