In article >,
 > wrote:
| Ivan Marinov  > wrote:
| >Mordekhai wrote:
| >> 
| 
| Isn't Mordekhai a Jewish name?  If so, I think he is just trying to
| provoke some response from Christians to which then he could point to 
| as evidence of anti-semitism.  So let's not fall for his game.
| 
| Joe


Cheez Joe do you have a one track  mind?

Istvan

) writes:
> Wally:
> What was the point of using my name in the Subject line 
> ("Joe Pannon @ s.c.r.")?
> I thought Subject lines were meant to indicate the "SUBJECT" of the
> articles, not the names of the people commenting on the subject?

Just went back to look -- the original post was made by  and
I replied to that post without changing the subject line. You might want
to ask crelu the ?????????

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>I still accuse you of mediocrity.
>All of your recent posts from the Soros pot-thread are exhibits.
>They were all boring and dull.
>Joe Pannon thinks so.

Just don't line me up on your side, Wally!  I think all three of you
are to be blamed for wanting to have the last word in an utterly silly
tongue lashing thread.

Joe

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Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> Wally Keeler wrote: several paragraphs, not fit for press.
> Procedure: reject, ignore.

Your authority to censor on behalf of SCM is not recognized by anyone
other than by your self-appointed recognition.
Your authority to censor on behalf of your own mind is detri-mental to no
one but yourself -- be my guest.
Excuse me while I go compose a bit of literature which is likely to be 
recognized and published by real editor not a pseudo-wannabe
censorious-Grundy editor like yourself.
Since you decided not to get the fuck out of my way, I will merely step
over you my little puddle of toxic waste.

>        I was wondering if anybody had a good reference on scaling factors
>for frequencies that give reliable agreement with experimental data.
>Currently we have been scaling HF frequencies by 0.9.  However, I want to
>perform some MP2 and MP4 frequencies.  Does anyone know of a reference
>where calculated frequencies at these method have been compared to
>experimental frequencies and appropriate scaling factors assigned.
>
>Thanks
>Mike
>
>
>Theory guides, the experiment decides --  Unknown

Hi,

I think you can read this paper :
Anthony P. Scott and Leo Radom,
J. Phys. Chem., 100, 16502, (1996)

(title : Harmonic Vibrational Frequencies: An Evaluation of Hartree-Fock,
Moller-Plesset, Quadratic Configuration Interaction, Density Functional
Theory and Semiempirical Scale Factors)

Regards,

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Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>I'm sure that you are good at some things, perhaps several things. Well,
>I'm good at a few other things than being a creditable provocateur.
>Anyway, don't let me set the agenda. There's much much more to Usenet than
>getting your nerves rattled by me -- ain't that the truth!

Agreed.
GK

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>Actually, Joe, I would add to "irreverent" the characteristics of
>impudence, insolence, buffoonery, fool, etc, etc. 

Wally,
you were not supposed to understand that. ;-)

Joe

Dr. Lantos Arpad  > wrote:
>
>Alabbi felkeresem, felhivasom most negyedszer jelenik meg az SCM-ben. 
>Kaptam visszajelzest ra Europabol, Del-Afrikabol, Ausztraliabol, ott elo 
>magyaroktol, segiteni kesz tarsaktol.
>Az amerikai kontinens magyarjai kozul senki, meg csak erdeklodo sem 
>akadt.

Valoszinu azert, mert az amerikai magyarok mindegyikenek van rokona
Magyarorszagon, s azok segitese elorebbvalo szamukra.

Pannon J.

You might be able to find your answer in
J. Phys. Chem., 1996, 100, 16502.

Jun Li


At 11:23 AM 11/13/96 +1100, you wrote:
>        I was wondering if anybody had a good reference on scaling factors
>for frequencies that give reliable agreement with experimental data.
>Currently we have been scaling HF frequencies by 0.9.  However, I want to
>perform some MP2 and MP4 frequencies.  Does anyone know of a reference
>where calculated frequencies at these method have been compared to
>experimental frequencies and appropriate scaling factors assigned.
>
>Thanks
>Mike
>
>
>Theory guides, the experiment decides --  Unknown
>
>-------------------------- Michael Alan Freitas ----------------------
>
>  e-mail: 
>
>Currently Visiting the University of Melbourne (til June '97)
>
> Address: University of Melbourne
>          School of Chemistry
>          Parkville, VIC 3052
>          AUSTRALIA
>
>   phone: +61 3 9344-6567
>     fax: +61 3 9347-5180
>
>-------------------------- Michael Alan Freitas ----------------------
>
>
>

a tancsom: nezz utanna P. Pulay cikkeinek, o (es csoportja) csinaltak MP2 
es magasabb szintu frekvencia szamitasokat de nem emlekszem hol es mikor kozolt
ek.
A Pople es tarsai altal favorizalt "uniform scaling" -nak nincsenek igazi elmel
eti
alapjai, a bonyolultamm Pulay fele rendszer jobban megalapozottabb.

Mindej Jokat

PAl Csaszar

In article > , 
writes:
>If this is really how Soros feels, I think he shot himself in the foot

Yeah, atomization of societies - all the societies -was
always the main goal of every extreme autocratic sys-
tem like the Nazi Germany or Stalin's Sovietunion (do you
remember that 6 years old kid who denounced his own
parents who were executed and the kid became the Hero
of Sovietunion ?) down till the family.

Tamas

Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>Good! now stay the fuck out of my way unless you intend to post more
>>material about MYSELF.
>>
> No. You stay out of my way,
Imitation is flattery -- he follows in my footsteps with Ann Landers manners.

> unless you intend more light to be shed on your 
> lack of comon sense, logic and manners. 

Oh my but haven't I been making claim after claim of logic and manners!
Poets are not reknown for their logic. Logic is often the mistress of
mathematicians, engineers, programmers, businesstypes, etc, but not poets.
In one poem that I had written many many years ago that had been published
in a literary journal was the line -- I am a disciple of my urges. Not
only do I eschew straight jackets, I don't like tight clothes -- the
imagination soars best in open spaces. I read Ann Landers -- nope, not for
me. I read Byron and Irving Layton -- yep, that's for me.

> Your use of profanities is a weak mind's imitation of strength.

<drum roll> And now for the Platitude of the Weak Award -- Gyorgy Kovacs
</drum roll><flourish of trumpets>........</flourish of trumpets>

I simply follow in the footsteps of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau
when he told the opposition to "fuck off" in the House of Commons, and on
another occasion told some striking truck drivers to "Mange le merde." Not
a weak mind -- just a rude crude outburst against the prissy.

For those who contesting Hunyadi Janos nationality, he might have been a
Cuman
but never a "romanian". There were no "romanians" until around 1820-1830,
when
pseudo "scientist" Samuel Klein concocted the daco-roman hypotesis.

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Hi...
I think was an article in chem.phys.lett on the subject
you mentioned, i am not sure as to which issue it exactly is...
BUT i do know it was to appear ...


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Hi,

For scaling factors I would recommend a recent work by Anthony P. Scott and Leo
Radom in J. Phys. Chem. 1996, 100, 16502-16513. They've done a real good work
for different basis set, model chemistries....( but no MP4 )

best wishes

pj

) writes:
> Kriza Gyorgy > wrote:
>>The diet of Torda of 1568 voted for the freedom of the interpretation of the 
>>bible without mentioning explicitly any churches. I can cite the original 
>>text if you find it necessary. 
> 
> And all this time I thought you were talking about a new weight loss
> plan! 
> Joe

I think he was. Wasn't Torda a distant ancestor of Sarah (Fergie)
Ferguson, the Duchess of Pork, the millionaire poster girl for WaitWatchers?

Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>Then why waste everyone's time stating the obvious, especially when it had
>>never been claimed to be otherwise?
> Lie #1
> 
>>There was no DEMAND, there was only the stated observation of mediocrity,
>>banality, blandness, etc.
> Lie #2

It is elementary justice that when you accuse someone of being a liar, you
also present the evidence. I posted onomatopoeia.

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>Good! now stay the fuck out of my way unless you intend to post more
>material about MYSELF.
>
No. You stay out of my way, unless you intend more light to be shed on your 
lack of comon sense, logic and manners. Your use of profanities is a weak 
mind's imitation of strength.

Try J. Phys Chem. within the last month.  there is a review and 
comparison of HF and DFT at several levels of theory.  Not sure of the 
page, but its by A. Scott and L. Radom.

On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Michael A. Freitas wrote:

>         I was wondering if anybody had a good reference on scaling factors
> for frequencies that give reliable agreement with experimental data.
> Currently we have been scaling HF frequencies by 0.9.  However, I want to
> perform some MP2 and MP4 frequencies.  Does anyone know of a reference
> where calculated frequencies at these method have been compared to
> experimental frequencies and appropriate scaling factors assigned.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> 
> 
> Theory guides, the experiment decides --  Unknown
> 
> -------------------------- Michael Alan Freitas ----------------------
> 
>   e-mail: 
> 
> Currently Visiting the University of Melbourne (til June '97)
> 
>  Address: University of Melbourne
>           School of Chemistry
>           Parkville, VIC 3052
>           AUSTRALIA
> 
>    phone: +61 3 9344-6567
>      fax: +61 3 9347-5180
> 
> -------------------------- Michael Alan Freitas ----------------------
> 
> 

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Gabor Barsai ) writes:
> In article >,
> willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist wrote:
>>If I get on your nerves, as you claim, then you either have a thin-skin or
>>else I am far better at provoking people than I give myself credit for.
> 
> The only part that you can give yourself credit for is that
> you are a hypocrite. And hypocrites get on the nerves of people; like Nixon o
r
> Stalin. Great role models for you.
> Although you claim to be a "poet", you couldn't even understand Gyuri's
> analogy. How pseudo poetic of you! 
> Poetic justice was served!
> Thus, you once again prove yourself worthy
> of your great title:
> willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist, the resident imbecile 
of
> the pseudo republic of pseudo poetry (ripropp).

If this is a "great title" it should be more concise, thus more intense,
instead of the watered down mediocrity that it is. I am only concerned
about the hyperbolic use of the word "great". 

> You're great for laughs, willy!

Oh I am GREAT for laughs. Thank you!
         (
          )  )
     (   (
      )   ) (   
     (   (   )  (
> Mr. Bland Gland, aka. the friendly vital organ

Csak mar sikerulne neki!

PJ

Gabor Barsai ) writes:
>>acknowledgement is irrelev?nt to its worthiness. However, I find it
>>intriguing that two adult men react with such acute hostility to mere
>>graphemes and morphemes. They act as if they were the Luddites from
>>literary convention.
> 
> I reacted that way 'cuz your "poetry" (I put it in quotation marks, because b
y
> any means, your poetry is a collection of random words in random order)  suck
s,
> willy.

I have no doubt that it does appear to you as a "collection of random
words in random order". I have no doubt that it appears just like that to
a larger part of the population/mass/proletariet/whatever. I've never
claimed otherwise and I've never involved myself in this stuff to appeal
to such a body of commonality. That you have such acute hostility
expressed so eloquently is your individual opinion. No doubt it is shared
by masses/majority/etc. I don't seek approval or refuge from such a swarm.
However, I do seek approval from what I regard as my peers, who are
discerning enough to recognize the aesthetic value of my graphemes and
morphemes aka concrete poetry and conceptual poetry. That you do not agree
is totally irrelev?nt to me and is insignificant to the body of peers who
do appreciate the work.

> Another reason I reacted with acute hostility, is because you're quite a
> hypocrite, along with your wife, the Brigster. (I was gonna write "your bitch
,
> the Brigster" but I'm not a pseudo poet. What the heck, I'm just too nice.)

Well of course you are nice -- you are bland. You are mild whereas I am
wild. You are simply a dumb chap-lipped cocksucker swallowing the contents
of large intestines who plays the role of a Knight in Shining Aluminum for
dried up dumb cunts. No go ahead and play the role Mr Grundy and get
yourself upset because of the use of foul malodorous language. I'm a rude
dude. I'm insolent, impudent, irreverent, etc etc. AMEN!

> I "love" the way ya play the "artist disassociated from society" part. "The
> general populations acknowledgement is irrelev?nt to its worthiness." OK,
> whatever. This is about as funny as Serdar Argic with his nice posts about th
e
> "Armenian genocide of 200000000000000000000 Turks". Like Serdar, your good fo
r

I don't waste my time reading Serdar Asshole's posts. I mostly read posts
that are about MYSELF. And I love to post things about MYSELF. Ironically,
you post only material that is about MYSELF. Obsessions can be idsessions
which can be self-consuming. You should post about other things as well a
posting your thoughts and feelings about MYSELF.

Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>It is elementary justice that when you accuse someone of being a liar, you
>>also present the evidence.
> 1. Nope, you present it at the trial. Want one?

As I claim, I posted onomatopeia. I never claimed it to be poetry nor
creative wordplay. This is a lie? 

> 2. I requested evidence for your accusations, and you never bothered. So quit
> whining and demanding from others what you don't offer.
> GK

I still accuse you of mediocrity.
All of your recent posts from the Soros pot-thread are exhibits.
They were all boring and dull.
Joe Pannon thinks so.
My monosyllabic replies (PLUNK, PLUNQUE, PETTY, PLOP) were of the same
characteristic -- boring and dull.
Joe knew it quite well -- called it what it was. 

If you want a trial, let's go for it. Who's the jury -- hell, you select
it, and the venue, and whatever else you feel is necessary.

Istvan Szucs ) writes:
> This is not even my biggest problem. The article is full of
> insinuations, without actual statements. It mentions that
....
> responsible for. THe most ridiculous statement I heard was
> that Soros only holds a US passport (what does that mean)?
> and that he only lives in New York because that's where the
> money is. Cheez... of course a banker does business where
> the money is, and why would they not live there? Are you
> also objecting to actors living in Hollywood  (because
> that's where the studios are)?

I've heard from a friend of a cousin on my wife's side who chewed gum and
walked at the same time that they had seen reports that Soros had secretly
financed the grassy knoll operation in Dallas and then planted spin
doctors to fertilize the grassy knoll theories as a self-reflective
diversionary technique.
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> 
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>          16
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> 
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In article >  writ
es:
>There were no "romanians" until around 1820-1830, when
>pseudo "scientist" Samuel Klein concocted the daco-roman hypotesis.

??? With or without a theory of their origin, there has been a neo-Latin
language with a known history and an associated culture... Romanian begins
when you consider Latin stops (500-1000 AD ?)
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) writes:
>  > wrote:
>>Wally:
>>What was the point of using my name in the Subject line 
>>("Joe Pannon @ s.c.r.")?
> 
> Oops!  Sorry, Wally, I've just noticed that it was that Cretinu guy who
> republished my article I posted originally on s.c.r. and he changed the
> Subject line to "Joe Pannon @ s.c.r."  You apparently responded to that
> article without changing the Subject line.  Due to the propogation
> nature of Usenet, I saw your article before his.  Apparently this idiot
> decided to crosspost my articles I write to s.c.r. to s.c.m., regardless
> whether they are relevant to s.c.m. or not.  I think this is his way of
> intimidating any Hungarians who dare to post on s.c.r..  He considers it
> an exclusive Romanian sand box.

Hrumph! As if those descendents of Atilla's motorcycle gang could be
intimidated by such sheepherders. ;-)

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