On 6 Mar 1997 00:23:31 GMT, aheringer > wrote:
>
>And what was wrong with living in tents over 1000 years ago?  30 thousand 
>years ago everybody lived in caves.  Incidentally, through the Pax 
>Romana, the Romans became the most mixed people in their time.

Actually, there is more to what you say than meets the eye.  Most of the
Western European masses used to live in unhealthy holes in the ground,
similar to the ones you've seen the Scots dwelling in the recent movies
of "Rob Roy" and that Mel Gibson movie.  Tents were far healthier than
such "houses."

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On 5 Mar 1997 05:58:29 GMT, fred hamori > wrote:

>so much but that is their real origins also. Not all asiatics are 
>mongoloid and much of Asia in the distant past was Caucasian also.

Good points, as always!  What's ironic is that the white race itself
is called "Cucasian" which is not exactly a European toponym.  
If anything, it's the area of the ancient home of Hungarians.

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On 4 Mar 1997 21:14:30 GMT, Teri Bicok > wrote:

>56-ers were too involved in their professional careers and assimilatory 
>trends, that they made a diservice to their children, I believe, and did 
>not raise them Hungarian, or ethnic in a general sense of the term.

I think I can agree with your characterization here, Teri.

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 wrote 
> >56-ers were too involved in their professional careers and assimilatory 
> >trends, that they made a diservice to their children, I believe, and did

> >not raise them Hungarian, or ethnic in a general sense of the term.
> 
> I think I can agree with your characterization here, Teri.
> 

I bet you both had pretty good lives, thanks to your 56-er brothers. 
Istvan

Ma reggel hallottam a magyar radioban hogy meghalt Simandy Jozsef.  80 
eves volt.  A 80 eves szuletesnapjara a magyar operahaz nagy unnepseg 
kereteben nekiajandekozta a Bank Ban kosztumot, amiben annyiszor enekelte 
el a Hazam, hazam, te mindenem cimu ariat.

Tavaly itt volt Torontoban.  Itt is elenekelte, de sajnos, jobb lett 
volna, ha megtartom emlekeimben ugy, ahogy hoskoraban enekelte.
Beke poraira!

Agnes

On Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:13:41 -0500, Gabor Barsai 
.edu> wrote:
>In article >, 
>(RT765) wrote:
>
>> My ancestors were the ROMANS,yours were the HUNS.(NON EUROPEANS).
>
>But the romans were not from Europe, honey bunny. They were part of the
>Indo-European tribe that migrated from India (hence the name Indo in
>Indo-European) and, they invaded the land of the Etruscans, an original
>European people (like the Basques). And what did the noble romans do to

If you put it that way, he just might rethink the Daco-Roman Continuity
theory. ;-)

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Philadelphiatol nem messze a 100-as utrol van egy MAGYAR TANYA ahol csak
magyarokat talalsz. Jo kaja (magyar) zene (magyar) sator helyek . uszo
medence. katalin bal szureti bal suthetsz fozhetsz magadnak a sajat
tabortuzeden es lakhatsz a sajat satorodban.
A terkepen talald meg a 100-as utat Allentown PA es Philadelphia kozott,
akkor talald meg a falu nevet "Bailey " es akkor Allentown fele Kb, egy
merfolddel ott vann "HEREFORD"  (Hires a tehenekrol)  Na ott van egy nagy
Insurance Sign az lefordulo uttal szemben es a ket villanyoszlop be van
festve Piros Feher Zoldre a fele kornyeken. ott befordulsz es akkor vagy
egy merfoldet menni es akkor az eles kanyar utan nem sokkal latsz egy
feheres kohazat a MAGYAR Cimerrel Rajta.   Az a tanya/ 135 acres of
HUNGARY.
Remeljuk Latunk ott majd a nyaron

Dear Mr/Ms RT765:

I don't think that most reasonable Hungarians would be disturbed by your 
charge. The distant ancestors of even the most civilized nations of the 
world today were barbarians of some sort (which state was kind of natural 
and appropriate for the "day") Just think of the ancient Celts, the 
Goths, the Saxons, etc. Neither their material culture nor their 
practices were on a higher plane than those of the Mongols. But you seem 
to be obsessed with this subject for a very personal reason. Obsessed to 
the point of being sick. While it's no surprize, it's still sad, that a 
"seemingly" intelligent person works himself into the blind alley of 
obsession.

It would be helpful -for doubters- if besides giving the sources of your 
citations (which you seem to do) you'd also give page numbers. For I've 
noticed in a couple of instances that your quotations are not so accurate 
(unless you cite from different, unexpurgated, revised, etc. editions of 
the works you cite). Most people have no time -and do not have your 
obsession- to page and browse in lengthy works to find the lines you 
quote (or misquote?). Just in case, they are curious enough, not so much 
to verify whether the works you cite are in what fashion tye the origin 
of Hungarians to the Mongols but, more likely to see what kind of a bug 
you are.

Yes, I think that you are more likely to be the object of curiosity than 
the Hungarians. The historian, form your example, more likely try to 
meditate (or speculate) on the nature of prejudices (individual and 
ethnic), sources of hate (individual and ethnic), the impulse for 
falsifying, re-writing history, the impulse for revisionist tendencies. 
Or the psychoanalist about the nature of obsession, hobby-horses.

Like the hordes of Mongols, or swarms of locusts, you seem to make your 
periodic raides onto the civilized lands of Internet and raid the 
reputations of Hungarians (who, like all men of great ability and self 
confidence, and sense of acheivement in history, don't give a hood about 
pinpricks such as yours); you seem to resurrect yourself from time to 
time as "mogorov", "ivanmogorov", or some meaningless digit.

So I propose to you that you heal your sickness by allowing us to become 
your analyst for a while: pour out of yourself what ails you and we 
listen. You would feel much better. And you would save yourself so much 
time wasted on tracking down in libraries statements "by authorities" 
that you -in the guise of scholarship- manipulate to cast "unfavorable" 
light on contemporary Hungary and Hungarians.

Wishing you a rapid recovery of your mental health. Sincerely, Laszlo

RT765 wrote:
> 
> REMINDER
> ARE HUNGARIANS MONGOLS? (Revised Version)Version 3
> 
> The Hungarians does not look any more Mongoloids for the same reasons the
> Turks in Istanbul
> look European.
> 
> It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their roots
> are Mongolic.
> 
> From Britannica :(Languages of the world)
> 
> "Racially the Uralic people present an unhomogeneous picture.In general
> they may be considered
> a bland of Europeans and Mongoloid types,with the more western
> groups(especially the Hungarians,Baltic-Finnic and Erzya Mardvin groups)
> being strongly European and those of the Urals primarily Mongoloid".
> 
> From " De Administrado Imperio"by Constantine Porphyrogenitus (Byzantine
> Emperor,950AD)
> 
> "These eight clans of the TURKS(Hungarians) do not obey their own
> particular princes...,They
> have for their first chief the prince who comes by succession of Arpad's
> family..."
> 
> 
> From The Hungarian Chronicle(1095AD):
> 
> "We (Hungarians) are descendants of the great Huns of Attila".
> 
> From "The Mongols" By Jeremiah Curtin
> 
> "Five groups of Mongols have made themselves famous in Europe:The Huns
> with their mighty chief Attila,the Magyars,The Turks or Osmanli,the Mongol
> invaders of Russia..."
> 
> From "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" By Edward Gibbon.
> 
> "The(Hungarians) are distinguished by the Greeks under the proper and
> peculiar name of Turks,
> as descendants of that people who had conquered and reigned form China to
> the Volga (referring to the Mongols)".
> 
> From "The Cambridge Medieval History" edited by J.H.Hussey.
> 
> "The form ovyypoi,from which are derived the various names current to this
> day among the people of Europe(Old Church Slavonic,UGRI;
> Russian,VENGRI;German,UNGARN;English,HUNGARIANS;French,HONGROIS;Italian,UN
> GHERESI,and so on)comes from the Turkic ethnic name ONOGUR meaning TEN
> OGUR"
> 
> From "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler.
> 
> "We also hear of a fearful encounter which St.Cyril,the Apostle of the
> Slav,had with a Magyar horde in 860,on his way to Khazaria.He was saying
> his prayers when they rushed at him luporum more ululantes-HOWLING IN THE
> MANNER OF WOLVES".
> 
> From "Britannica"(Languages of the world).
> 
> "Recent study indicates that it is posible to speak of a Uralic racial
> type,an intermediate stage between the European and the Mongoloid,the
> basic features of which are medium-dark to dark hair and eye
> colour,relatively small stature and often a concave bridge of the nose".
> (Hungary is part of Uralic racial type).
> 
> From "Britanica" Hungarian.
> 
> "The proto-Hungarians were apparently an ethnic blend of Ugric(Mongoloid)
> and Turkish peoples living in western Siberia...The Hungarians were the
> scourge of Europe,raiding as far afield as Bremen,Orleans and
> Constantinople(the English word OGRE-a men eating man,hideous cruel man,is
> a corruption of HUNGAR,attests to their notoriety).
> 
> From "1000 years of Hungary" By Emil Lengyel.
> 
> "(Hungarian) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant,who had two sons,HUNOR
> and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS,and MAGOR was the
> ancestor of the MAGYARS."
> 
> "The experience the Magyars left with the Western world was so traumatic
> that even generations later people form the West saw the Hungarians as
> apocalyptic monsters. Bishop Otto of Freysing spoke of the exterior of the
> Hungarians as ‘ferocious' at the time of the Crusades :(Their eyes are
> sunken,their stature is short,their behavior wild,their language
> barbarous,so that one can either accuse fate or marvel at divine patience
> for having permitted these monsters the possession of an enchanting
> land)".
> 
> From "History of Hungary" By Denis Sinor
> 
> "Though, geographically speaking, of European origin, the Hungarians who
> settled in the Danube valley were,spiritually and materially, Asiatics,
> and belonged to the great Central Euroasiatic cultural family whose
> members lived dispersed form the Danube to China, from Persia and India to
> the Arctic. The Hungarian bows and arrows...were of exactly the same type
> as those used in Central Asia. As nomadic peoples generally do, the
> Hungarians disliked towns,and even houses,to which they preferred tents.
> According to Otto von Freisingen, as late as the middle of the twelfth
> century, summer and autumn were still spent under tents".
> 
> "It is, however quite certain that the Mongoloid type was well represented
> among them (Hungarians), and that they were, on the whole, of rather short
> stature, with short legs, bowed through continuous riding".
> 
> There are many more credible sources like these.

Makoiakat keresek akikrol MAKOROL latogatjak ezt a helyet vagy akrmelyik
internet helyet. Kerem valaszoljanak.
koszonom

Aron Gereben wrote:
> 
> Meg tudja nekem valaki mondani, hogy az Utas es Holdvilag, vagy a
> Pendragon-legenda megjelent-e valaha is angolul?
> 
> Koszonom
> 
> Gereben Aron
>  Gereben wrote:
> 
> Meg tudja nekem valaki mondani, hogy az Utas es Holdvilag, vagy a
> Pendragon-legenda megjelent-e valaha is angolul?
> 
> Koszonom
> 
> Gereben Aron
> 

Kedves Aron:

Pendragon es Holdvilag tobb nemet es francia kiadast is lattak, s van egy 
angol is. A bibliografiai leiras a kovetkezo, s utanna latod azon 
amerikai konyvtaraknak a mejelzoit amelyekben a konyvek megtalalhatok. En 
olvastam a Pendragon forditast. Eleg jo. A Holdvilag-ot nem ismerem. 
Udvozlettel, Laszlo

AUTHOR:         Szerb, Antal, 1901-1945.
TITLE:          The Pendragon legend. [Translated from the Hungarian by  
                Lili Halapy.
IMPRINT:        Budapest] Corvina Press [1963]
                230 p. 19 cm.
LIBRARIES:      CLO: California State Univ, Long Beach, CA, US
                CLU: Univ Of California, La, CA, US
                CPS: California Polytechnic State Univ, CA, US
                CRU: Univ Of California, Riverside, CA, US
                CSH: California State Univ, Hayward, CA, US
                CUF: Univ Of San Francisco, Gleeson Libr, CA, US
                CUI: Univ Of California, Irvine, CA, US
                CUT: Univ Of California, Santa Barbara, CA, US
                CUY: Univ Of California, Berkeley, CA, US
                HDC: Claremont Col, CA, US
                LPU: Los Angeles Pub Libr, CA, US
                STF: Stanford Univ Libr, CA, US
---------------------------------

AUTHOR:         Szerb, Antal, 1901-1945.
TITLE:          [Utas es holdvilag. English]
                The traveler / Antal Szerb ; translation and afterword by 
                Peter Hargitai.
IMPRINT:        New York : Puski-Corvin Books, c1994.
                280 p. ; 20 cm.
NOTES:          Translation of: Utas es holdvilag.
                ISBN: 0915951215
LIBRARIES:      CDS: San Diego State Univ, CA, US
                LPU: Los Angeles Pub Libr, CA, US
                ACM: Univ Of S Alabama, AL, US
                DLC: Library Of Congress, DC, US
                FUG: Univ Of Florida, FL, US
                FXG: Florida Int Univ, FL, US
                NUI: Univ Of Iowa Libr, IA, US
                CGP: Chicago Pub Libr, IL, US
                IUP: Indiana Univ, Purdue Univ, Indianapolis, IN, US
                AMH: Amherst Col, MA, US
                NOC: Univ Of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC, US
                PUL: Princeton Univ, NJ, US
                GZM: Univ Of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, US
                EIS: Saint Patrick's Col, Maynooth, , EU
 
p.s. Megjegyzes azon olvasok szamara akik Szerb Antalnak csak verseit, 
muforditasait, vagy irodalom-kritikai esszeit ismerik (vagy ot egyaltalan 
nem ismerik): ha van alkalmuk olvassak az o szep prozajat, s ha kedvelik 
Bulgakov Mester es Margarit-jat akkor Szerbet is fogjak szeretni.

Laszlo Horvath

Dick Smegma wrote:
> 
> Germany = quiet for fifty years
> 
> Russia = quiet for five years (not including Chechnya)

It is nice to be under-informed. The world is much simpler than.
Russian quietness can easily be emphasised by: 

- Invasion and enslavement of the East/central Europe, 
- involvement in Korea,
- The Berlin blocade, 
- Invasion of Hungary
- Invasion of Czechoslovakia, 
- The Cuban "crisis",
- De-stabilisation of Afrika and numerous "liberation" wars there,
- participation in the Vietnam war,
- invasion of Afganistan,

Did I miss something?


---------------,
Andrew P. Paplinski,      
Dept. Digital Systems, http://dgs.monash.edu.au/~app/
Monash University, Clayton 3168, [Melbourne,] AUSTRALIA

Aron Gereben wrote:
> 
> Meg tudja nekem valaki mondani, hogy az Utas es Holdvilag, vagy a
> Pendragon-legenda megjelent-e valaha is angolul?
> 
> Koszonom
> 
> Gereben Aron
>  Gereben wrote:
> 
> Meg tudja nekem valaki mondani, hogy az Utas es Holdvilag, vagy a
> Pendragon-legenda megjelent-e valaha is angolul?
> 
> Koszonom
> 
> Gereben Aron
> 

Kedves Aron:

Pendragon es Holdvilag tobb nemet es francia kiadast is lattak, s van egy 
angol is. A bibliografiai leiras a kovetkezo, s utanna latod azon 
amerikai konyvtaraknak a mejelzoit amelyekben a konyvek megtalalhatok. En 
olvastam a Pendragon forditast. Eleg jo. A Holdvilag-ot nem ismerem. 
Udvozlettel, Laszlo

AUTHOR:         Szerb, Antal, 1901-1945.
TITLE:          The Pendragon legend. [Translated from the Hungarian by  
                Lili Halapy.
IMPRINT:        Budapest] Corvina Press [1963]
                230 p. 19 cm.
LIBRARIES:      CLO: California State Univ, Long Beach, CA, US
                CLU: Univ Of California, La, CA, US
                CPS: California Polytechnic State Univ, CA, US
                CRU: Univ Of California, Riverside, CA, US
                CSH: California State Univ, Hayward, CA, US
                CUF: Univ Of San Francisco, Gleeson Libr, CA, US
                CUI: Univ Of California, Irvine, CA, US
                CUT: Univ Of California, Santa Barbara, CA, US
                CUY: Univ Of California, Berkeley, CA, US
                HDC: Claremont Col, CA, US
                LPU: Los Angeles Pub Libr, CA, US
                STF: Stanford Univ Libr, CA, US
---------------------------------

AUTHOR:         Szerb, Antal, 1901-1945.
TITLE:          [Utas es holdvilag. English]
                The traveler / Antal Szerb ; translation and afterword by 
                Peter Hargitai.
IMPRINT:        New York : Puski-Corvin Books, c1994.
                280 p. ; 20 cm.
NOTES:          Translation of: Utas es holdvilag.
                ISBN: 0915951215
LIBRARIES:      CDS: San Diego State Univ, CA, US
                LPU: Los Angeles Pub Libr, CA, US
                ACM: Univ Of S Alabama, AL, US
                DLC: Library Of Congress, DC, US
                FUG: Univ Of Florida, FL, US
                FXG: Florida Int Univ, FL, US
                NUI: Univ Of Iowa Libr, IA, US
                CGP: Chicago Pub Libr, IL, US
                IUP: Indiana Univ, Purdue Univ, Indianapolis, IN, US
                AMH: Amherst Col, MA, US
                NOC: Univ Of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC, US
                PUL: Princeton Univ, NJ, US
                GZM: Univ Of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, US
                EIS: Saint Patrick's Col, Maynooth, , EU
 
p.s. Megjegyzes azon olvasok szamara akik Szerb Antalnak csak verseit, 
muforditasait, vagy irodalom-kritikai esszeit ismerik (vagy ot egyaltalan 
nem ismerik): ha van alkalmuk olvassak az o szep prozajat, s ha kedvelik 
Bulgakov Mester es Margarit-jat akkor Szerbet is fogjak szeretni.

Laszlo Horvath

>So I propose to you that you heal your sickness by allowing us to become 
>your analyst for a while: pour out of yourself what ails you and we 
>listen. You would feel much better. And you would save yourself so much 
>time wasted on tracking down in libraries statements "by authorities" 
>that you -in the guise of scholarship- manipulate to cast "unfavorable" 
>light on contemporary Hungary and Hungarians.
>
>Wishing you a rapid recovery of your mental health. Sincerely, Laszlo
>
Bravo, Laszlo!

Agnes

Most mar keves a ketseg, hogy Kommunista Kina hatalmas osszegekkel
tamogatta Clinton es a demokratak megvalasztasat.  Remelhetoleg, hamarossan
kineveznek egy fuggetlen ugyeszt es ennek a piszkos dolognak minden reszet
meg fogjuk tudni.  Nagyon valoszinu, hogy az Amerikai-Kinai politikat ezek
a hatalmas osszegek meglehetosen befolyasoltak.  Kit szolgal Clinton,
Amerikat vagy Kinat?

Az is lehet, hogy Clinton-t nem is rugjak ki a hivatalabol, de nem marad
semmi erkolcsi ereje kormanyzasra.  Ilyen korulmenyek kozott Amerika nem
lessz kepes a vilag vezeto szerepet betolteni es varhatunk kissebb nagyobb
zavart az egesz vilagon.

Miert erdekelne ez a magyarokat?

Ha egy idegen hatalom meg tudja venni a vilag leghatalamassabb kormany
elnoket, mit tudnak vagy tudtak az idegen erdekek, bunozok, Magyarorszagon
venni es tenni? 

Istvan

On 9 Mar 1997 13:54:13 GMT, Istvan Lippai > wrote
:
>
>I think that Slovakia's recent human rights record has a lot to do with
>getting snubbed by NATO.  The recently passed laws, designed to oppress the
>ethnic Hungarians, does not bode well for Slovakia.  

The best part in all of this is that Slovakia wants to hold a national
referendum on whether they should join the NATO, or not.

As if anybody asked them for the honors ...

Encouraged by that, let me state it right now that I do not accept the Nobel
Prize, either.  I hope now that I'll not have to explain to all of you why I
do not have that coveted Prize.  I just don't want it!

Joe Pannon
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Aron Gereben wrote:
> 
> Meg tudja nekem valaki mondani, hogy az Utas es Holdvilag, vagy a
> Pendragon-legenda megjelent-e valaha is angolul?
> 
> Koszonom
> 
> Gereben Aron
> 

Kedves Aron:

Pendragon es Holdvilag tobb nemet es francia kiadast is lattak, s van egy 
angol is. A bibliografiai leiras a kovetkezo, s utanna latod azon 
amerikai konyvtaraknak a mejelzoit amelyekben a konyvek megtalalhatok. En 
olvastam a Pendragon forditast. Eleg jo. A Holdvilag-ot nem ismerem. 
Udvozlettel, Laszlo

AUTHOR:         Szerb, Antal, 1901-1945.
TITLE:          The Pendragon legend. [Translated from the Hungarian by  
                Lili Halapy.
IMPRINT:        Budapest] Corvina Press [1963]
                230 p. 19 cm.
LIBRARIES:      CLO: California State Univ, Long Beach, CA, US
                CLU: Univ Of California, La, CA, US
                CPS: California Polytechnic State Univ, CA, US
                CRU: Univ Of California, Riverside, CA, US
                CSH: California State Univ, Hayward, CA, US
                CUF: Univ Of San Francisco, Gleeson Libr, CA, US
                CUI: Univ Of California, Irvine, CA, US
                CUT: Univ Of California, Santa Barbara, CA, US
                CUY: Univ Of California, Berkeley, CA, US
                HDC: Claremont Col, CA, US
                LPU: Los Angeles Pub Libr, CA, US
                STF: Stanford Univ Libr, CA, US
---------------------------------

AUTHOR:         Szerb, Antal, 1901-1945.
TITLE:          [Utas es holdvilag. English]
                The traveler / Antal Szerb ; translation and afterword by 
                Peter Hargitai.
IMPRINT:        New York : Puski-Corvin Books, c1994.
                280 p. ; 20 cm.
NOTES:          Translation of: Utas es holdvilag.
                ISBN: 0915951215
LIBRARIES:      CDS: San Diego State Univ, CA, US
                LPU: Los Angeles Pub Libr, CA, US
                ACM: Univ Of S Alabama, AL, US
                DLC: Library Of Congress, DC, US
                FUG: Univ Of Florida, FL, US
                FXG: Florida Int Univ, FL, US
                NUI: Univ Of Iowa Libr, IA, US
                CGP: Chicago Pub Libr, IL, US
                IUP: Indiana Univ, Purdue Univ, Indianapolis, IN, US
                AMH: Amherst Col, MA, US
                NOC: Univ Of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC, US
                PUL: Princeton Univ, NJ, US
                GZM: Univ Of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, US
                EIS: Saint Patrick's Col, Maynooth, , EU
 
p.s. Megjegyzes azon olvasok szamara akik Szerb Antalnak csak verseit, 
muforditasait, vagy irodalom-kritikai esszeit ismerik (vagy ot egyaltalan 
nem ismerik): ha van alkalmuk olvassak az o szep prozajat, s ha kedvelik 
Bulgakov Mester es Margarit-jat akkor Szerbet is fogjak szeretni.

Laszlo Horvath

Jason Menayan wrote:

[deleted]


> 
> I wouldn't doubt it.  Russia couldn't get any worse than it is now.
> Germany, on the other hand, has rising unemployment, a stagnant economy
> that is about to undergo further belt-tightening, and a huge immigrant
> population, mainly Turks.  History tells us the Germans are good at
> persecuting their scapegoats...
  ^^^^^^^^^^^


This is exactly what everybody, including the Russians, does to his
scapegots.


MK

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laurie > writes:

> 
> I am wondering how to say 'peace' in Hungarian--and any other language as 
> well 
> Thanks for your help!
> laurie
> 

Well, how to say it  is a bit hard to explain with 7bit ascii, but
it's written as "be'ke"

And the ' is supposed to be on top of the e.


-- 
David "Dave" Litkey