LetHipCat wrote:
> 
> Tony wrote:
> >
> > In > HipCat > writes:
> > >
> > >Man, it's times like this that I feel embarrased to be an American.
> > >What  can we say to a
> > >guy like this.  We could try to educate him, but he is so confused
> > with
> > >so many little
> > >broken up pieces of information, I don't think we have that much
> > >glue...or time.
> > >
> > >Well, I have a few points anyway:
> > >Those Eastern European "fools" of Hungarian origin founded Intel,
> > >erected the Statue of
> > >Liberty, developed the Atomic Bomb, fathered the US Aeorospace
> > industry
> > >and made
> > >supersonic space flight possible, developed computer programming and
> > >binary code,
> > >invented the speaking machine, the cannon, volunteered and died
> > fighting
> > >in the
> > >American revolution as well as the civil war for democracy, organized
> > >and commanded
> > >the first American Cavalry and died with it, helped organize desert
> > >storm, invented
> > >holography, fought the Russians in 1956 and were massacred while the
> > US
> > >watched and
> > >did nothing despite pleas for help, received 14 Nobel Prizes, for the
> > >first time in history
> > >codified freedom of religion (in Torda, Transylvania, 16c) a hundred
> > >years before we
> > >were still with our pathetic witch hunts in Salem and elsewhere, died
> > in
> > >the hundreds of
> > >thousands while fighting Tatars and Turks to save the rest of Europe,
> > >fathered the
> > >California wine industry, founded the Paramount Pictures empire, won
> > >numerous Oscars,
> > >contributed immensely to mathematics, physics, chemistry, music,
> > >geography, and almost
> > >every other field.  This list can go on and on.
> > >
> > >And a lot of what we're seeing in Bosnia and elsewhere is partially
> > our
> > >fault for creating
> > >artificial new states like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and Romania -
> > >with territories that
> > >were part of Hungary for 800 to a thousand years.  But guys like you
> > >don't know that.
> > >Some of these folks have genuine grievances.  But maybe we too should
> > >have learned to
> > >"get along" with the King and pay our taxes on tea like good British
> > >subjects. A lot of
> > >Hungarian lives would have been spared. Thank God the French too
> > didn't
> > >think like you
> > >when we needed their help.
> > >
> > >So next time you use your computer, watch the Space Shuttle, drink
> > >Zinfandel wine,
> > >admire the US Cavalry, think of the Hungarians that dedicated their
> > >lives to their work,
> > >and thank them for helping the US.  But you probably won't.  You are
> > >just the typical
> > >person who appreciates nothing because he grew up with everything and
> > >forgets the
> > >people who sacrificed for his freedom and wealth.
> > >
> > >I guess here in America, education has become less important, and
> > >produces individuals
> > >like you that talk with nothing to say. And these people become
> > politcal
> > >leaders.  Try to
> > >learn something  - do what should be your responsibility in a great
> > >democracy - get
> > >educated.
> > >
> > >HipCat
> > >
> > >P.S. If you want to learn more visit my homepage and others.  You may
> > >enjoy the
> > >cerebral activity or maybe you've drunk too many brewskies and don't
> > >have the brain cells
> > >to spare.
> > >--
> > >Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/
> >
> > My dear fellow:
> >
> > I was engaged to a Hungarian-American girl; I have travelled
> > (extensively in Hungary: Budapest, Kecskemet; Debrecen; Lake Balaton;
> > Aggtelek, etc.); I also have a graduate degree from George Mason
> > University.   While I have a TREMENDOUS respect for the Hungarians and
> > agree that they are probably the most accomplished (and distinct) of
> > the Eastern European nations (please reread my comment on Hungary vs.
> > Romania), they DID NOT ERECT THE STATUE OF LIBERTY (that was the
> > French); they DID NOT FATHER THE U.S. AEROSPACE INDUSTRY (that was
> > largely German immigrant scientists); they DID NOT "MAKE SUPERSONIC
> > FLIGHT POSSIBLE.   Your rantings are a clear-cut case of ethnocentrism;
> > I'll wager that you (coincidentally) just happen to be of Hungarian
> > extraction!   It's funny that whatever nationality "we" are, THAT is
> > the nationality which has "contributed the most" to science,
> > technology, philosophy, the arts, culture and civilization in general.
> > How pathetically tribalistic (and dangerous) is this attitude!
> >
> > I myself am of Italian and Argentine Spanish descent.   I could speak
> > about all the contributions of the Italians, througout history, and it
> > would put you into anaphylactic shock:  Da Vinci; Michelangelo;
> > Galileo; Colombo ; and in this century, Marconi and Fermi.   I could
> > speak of all the great Spaniards (Cervantes, etc.)   But I will refrain
> > from such nationalistic tirades.
> >
> > To paraphrase my hero, Rodney King, "Why Can't We All Just Get Along
> > (and forget ethnocentrism)??"   THAT was the whole point of my posting
> > on Eastern European "fools".   To understand one's problem is THE FIRST
> > STEP IN SOLVING IT!   To bring a lasting peace to Eastern Europe, the
> > ethnocentric, nationalistic old men who rant on about the "superiority"
> > of their ethnic groups must learn some decent, human HUMILITY; their
> > countries and peoples are not the centers of the world!
> >
> > Tony
> 
> Tony, Tony!
> 
> For a guy with a graduate degree I thought you'd at least visit my site
> and check out the Hungarian Nobel Prize Winners page. More surprising
> that a guy with a graduate degree could be so un-gentleman-like and
> appear so uneducated. But there are many parts to a man's education.
> Here's some information:
> 
> 1.  The Father of US Aerospace is Todor (Theodore) von Karman who was
> born in Budapest and emigrated to the US.  He received the first
> National Medal of Science from JFK.  There is also a stamp in his honor
> issued a few years ago (1992?).  His mathematical breakthroughs as well
> as development of the wind tunnel and much more made supersonic space
> flight possible.
> 
> 2.  The French gave us the Statue of Liberty but (I'm sure this may
> embarrass you but at least you remembered France) the Americans didn't
> want to fork out the dough to put it up.  SO, it laid there for years
> until Jospeh Pulitzer (hear of him - Pulitzer Prize?) came up with an
> idea to get the money needed.  His idea was to put the name of anyone
> giving a substantial donation into his newspaper.  The idea was a
> success.  Pulitzer was born in Hungary. And remember I said "erected"
> not "gave."  Maybe you need some more English Literature from George
> Mason.
> 
> 3.  The first sustained nuclear fission reaction was achieved by good
> friends Enrico Fermi AND Leo Szilard - Yes, Szilard is Hungarian.  When
> the press asked Fermi if he believed in extraterrestrials Fermi replied,
> "They are already here, they are called Hungarians."  Szilard (and
> Wigner and Teller, also Hungarians) is also responsible for the
> Manhattan project idea to develop the Atomic Bomb through the petitions
> to Roosevelt and Truman.
> 
> Well there is much more at my site should you be interested to learn
> something.  It is easier to just blurt out "ETHNOCENTRISM!!!!"  Ooooo.
> I NEVER claimed that Hungarians were better that anyone else or
> contributed more, just reacting to your ignorance and claim that all
> East Europeans are fools.  I even thought of not writing anything at all
> because you sounded so silly.  You see the problems in East Central
> Europe are quite complex and cannot be put into one category of old men
> raving about superiority.  There are problems of oppression, territorial
> disputes, massacres, and things you never heard of.  And the US created
> part of these problems.  You obvously know nothing about the region
> despite your visits there.  I guess growing up here without any teaching
> in real world history, your ideas can come from anywhere - probably
> Power Rangers.  Or is it Barney?  "Why Can't We All Just Get Along?"
> Rodney King, now there's a role model!  And I am NOT your Fellow.
> --
> Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/


Let's not forget dear Sikorsky and his helicopters.

Galina

P.S.  You are both correct, in your fashions

) writes:
> wally > wrote:
>>
>>Your Joejobs might be more fruitful on Blandglands; you might be better at 
>>swallowing pudding than a substantial slab of beef like me.
> 
> Now you're talking, Wally!  True to form.
> Actually, you may not even realize how right on the money your comment
> is: one of my favorites is rice pudding (with tapioca close second)!  

I'll be on the next flight to Seattle.

In article >,  > wrote:
>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>No, it is saying, "I am reticent to see it expand, because it means an
>>enlarged responsibility. I prefer to keep responsibilities to a minimum."
>>
>But isn't that the indication of an irresponsible person? ;-)
>
>Joe

Nope. 'Tis an indication of a hypocrite.

Gabor

 wrote:
> 
> Art 1201 interpretation by G. Dumitrescu >:
> 
> >
> > All I know is that in Moldova, Ardeal, and Wallachia (which make up Romania
),
> > the majority of people were Romanian speaking shepherds and farmers who spo
ke
> > Romanian for well over a thousand years before Arpad, Peter the Great, Tara
s
> > Bulba, Yul Brinner and all the free-wheeling Turko-Asiatic peoples without 
a
> > real country ever reached the river Volga, forget about Hollywood or Paramo
unt
> > Pictures.
> >
> > Thank-you very little,
> >
> > --
> > G. Dumitrescu
> 
> A.Albu
> Cu asta basta

There were over 200 reconized separate ethnicities in former Roumania, 
many of which are exercising freedom in getting in touch with their 
counterparts in other countries.  It is wonderful to me that so many 
people could have retained their own heritages while getting along with 
each other in Roumania for so many centuries.  The Old Believer Orthodox 
there have enjoyed their rights since the original time of their 
persecution in Russia.  The Albanian population has thrived and the 
Romani are treated better there than in any other eastern euripean 
country.  Let's hear it for Roumania and a kinder, gentler attitude 
toward nationality and ethnicity throughout its history!

The San Francisco Bay Area Hungarian Cultural Center will
throw an open-air "Birthday Party" for Hungary's 1100-th
Anniversary this year, on the 14th of September (Saturday, from
10A.M. to 5. P.M.) at the Mountain View City Hall Plaza, 500 Castro
Street, Mountain View (in the San Francisco Bay Area). All interested
in Hungarian culture, a bit of history, and quite a bit of Hungarian
Ethnic Foods and World-famous Tokay wines, please come!
        Information:  http://www.siliconvalley.com/festival
        
        Hungarian Cultural Center Secretary: voice (408) 732-9319
        msg (408) 920-1700, fax (408)746-2765
Background: 1996 is the 1100th anniversary of Hungary, the
establishment of this Finno-Ugric island, in a sea of Slavic and
Germanic European nations. Hungary's oval shaped plane is
surrounded by the Carpathian mountains. This used to be the eastern
border of the Roman Empire and of European Christianity. Arpad's
seven tribes, the Magyars (about half a million) crossed the
Carpathians in 896 A.D. They were masterful equestrian archers,
used powerful composite bows to propel their arrows. The families
followed in carts, drawn by giant Hungarian oxen. Behind them came
their animals, herded and protected by the Hungarian dogs: the puli,
the komondor and the kuvasz. In the evenings, they would settle
down around their campfires. After the meal, they would drink
kumiss made from the mare's milk, to get them in the mood for their
ancient pentatonic tunes (which Bela Bartok collected a millennium
later). God had promised this land to the Hungarians. It all happened
while Queen Emese was asleep: God, in the form of the Turul bird,
impregnated her and told her, that the son to be born of this dream,
will lead her people to a promised land. The son was named Almos
(The Dreamed One), and it was he, who has brought his people to
these eastern slopes of the Carpathian mountain range. The decision
of the Taltos was that Almos must not enter the promised land! He is
to be sacrificed before the Magyars cross the Carpathians. This is
partly to appease God and partly to allow his spirit to enter his son,
Arpad, who will be the new ruler of all Hungarians. The head of the
first Hungarian dynasty, Arpad, had the task of establishing his
authority over the region. .Once the North and South were safe,
Arpad focused on Transdanubia. By the summer of 900 A.D. the
whole Carpathian Basin was in the hands of the Magyars. During the
coming centuries Hungary became the first melting pot of the world,
where many people lived, under the leadership of the Magyars.
Hungary welcomed every race, culture and religion into her tolerant,
open and highly decentralized society. After becoming Christians, the
Hungarians defended Europe from many Asian invasions, gave many
Saints to the Roman Church, and established many institutions,
including Europe's oldest educational monastery: Pannonhalma. On
the 6th of September, the Pope led the celebration of the 1000th
anniversary of Pannonhalma's founding. Woodside Priory in San
Francisco Bay Area is a shining example of the Hungarian Educator
Spirit; founded by Benedictine Fathers from Pannonhalma, a year
after they had to flee Hungary when Revolution against Soviets were
crushed in 1956. The Kingdom of Hungary reached her peak in the
middle ages. At the time, when Columbus was getting ready to sail
for America, Hungary's population matched that of England, her
armies were the strongest in Europe, the library of Buda was one of
the best in the world and her king, Matthias Corvinus was the Holy
Roman Emperor. During the coming centuries, Hungary was
weakened, as she bled for two centuries, in protecting Europe from
the Turks. In the struggle, she lost half her population and in that
exhausted state, she fell prey to occupiers from both East and West.
        Hungary lost most of her power, but not her principles. She
became the first in the world to declare the freedom of religion at
Torda in 1568. Unitarians adhere to the "Torda Dictum". In San Jose,
American Unitarians established partner Churches in Transylvania (a
thousand year old part of Hungary, which was stripped off from
motherland and given to Romania in Trianon1920). Hungary lost
many wars and revolutions, but she never allowed the torch of her
liberty to be snuffed out.  Liberty is life!  - said Lajos Kossuth, when
invited to address the American Senate, after one of our many failed
revolutions in the 19th century and in 1956:  life is nothing without
liberty said the freedomfighters of Budapest, as they set out forty
years ago against 16 Russian tank battalions to mortally wound
Soviet Communist tyranny. Hungary has given much to America. Not
only the Statue of Liberty stands on the Foundation erected by the
Hungarian journalist Pullitzer, but San Francisco Bay Area would be
poorer if Szathmary, the nobleman, did not bring grapevine from
Hungary! Today, as 1100 years ago, the state of Hungary is once
again preparing to enter Europe. But the state of Hungary does not
coincide with the nation. Hungary is the only country on this planet,
which is surrounded on all her borders, by her former self, `by the
severed (unthinkable!) 2/3rd of the former Hungary. Hungarians are
the largest minority in Europe, not because they left their homeland,
but because borders been redrawn and artificial states (Yugoslavia,
Czechoslovakia) were invented by distant and ignorant politicians.
With these artificial states fallen apart, Hungary still has not been
reunited with her former parts of a thousand years. It would be a
marvelous birthday gift to the nation of Lajos Kossuth, Albert
Szentgyorgyi and John Von Neumann, if the Hungarian communities
in the successor states were given the right to maintain their
heritage, if their churches and schools were returned, if they were
allowed to use their mother tongue, if they were given the same
cultural autonomy, which are even guaranteed even to the warring
parties in Bosnia. We hope and pray, that the politicians of Europe
and the US, especially in an election year, will also focus on the
universal collective human rights of all minority groups.  That would
be the best birthday gift for 10 million Hungarians in present-day
Hungary, 16 million of Hungarians worldwide, 1.58 million who live
in the USA, and 10,000 who live in San Francisco Bay Area.

Gabor Barsai ) writes:
> In article >,  > wrote
:
>>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>>No, it is saying, "I am reticent to see it expand, because it means an
>>>enlarged responsibility. I prefer to keep responsibilities to a minimum."
>>>
>>But isn't that the indication of an irresponsible person? ;-)
>>Joe
> 
> Nope. 'Tis an indication of a hypocrite.
> Gabor

See Joe, even Gabor-slobs says you're wrong.

All/Mindenki,

I am interested in finding technical software development opportunities
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Thank you very much, / Halasan koszonom,

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10219 Martinhoe Dr.
Vienna, Virginia
USA
22181

wally > wrote:
>
>Your Joejobs might be more fruitful on Blandglands; you might be better at 
>swallowing pudding than a substantial slab of beef like me.

Now you're talking, Wally!  True to form.
Actually, you may not even realize how right on the money your comment
is: one of my favorites is rice pudding (with tapioca close second)!  
What da ya know?

Joe

In article >, 
 says...
>In article >,  > 
wrote:
>>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>>No, it is saying, "I am reticent to see it expand, because it means an
>>>enlarged responsibility. I prefer to keep responsibilities to a minimum."
>>>
>>But isn't that the indication of an irresponsible person? ;-)
>>Joe
>
>Nope. 'Tis an indication of a hypocrite.
>Gabor

Hey Joe, Aren't we all impressed with the sharpe-edged wit of Mr 
Dung-Tongue, formerly known as Mr Bland Gland, you know, Bore-to-the-Core 
Gabor.

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All/Mindenki,

I am interested in finding technical software development opportunities
with companies that deal in America and Hungary. Does anyone have any
information about such matters. My resume can be found at the following
address:

	http://www.access.digex.net/~mutsuura/Mutsuura.htm

Erdeklodok teknikai program fejleszto alkalmok utan olyan vallalatal
melyik Amerikaban es Magyarorszagban uzletet kot. Van valakinek ilyenrol
felvilagositasa? A rezumemom elertheto a kovetkezo cimen: 

	http://www.access.digex.net/~mutsuura/Mutsuura.htm

Thank you very much, / Halasan koszonom,

Horvath Attila
10219 Martinhoe Dr.
Vienna, Virginia
USA
22181