In article >,
 says...
>
>At 02:10 AM 3/5/97 GMT, Sam Stowe, responding to Andy Kozma, wrote:
>
>>How's the coverage for hearing loss in the Canadian system?
>
>It's like eye care.  It's not what it should be.  The health plan covers
the
>examination but only a percentage of the cost of the prescription.  And
>that's an unnecessary hardship for many people.  Mind you, if you're on
>welfare, it's paid for.
>
>Joe Szalai

And if you have extended health care insurance through your employer, you
get a lot of stuff reimbursed, or at least part of it.

Agnes

In article >, Joe Szalai
> writes:

>Hungarians should follow the Canadian system of health care.  It costs less
>than the American system and it covers everyone, equally.  There are many
>reasons why the American system costs more, and one of the reasons is that
>Canadians aren't sue-happy like the Americans.  Canadians rarely get
>involved in malpractice suits against doctors.  Another obvious reason is
>that doctors don't need extra staff just to process the insurance claims.

Joe, I've got a book around here somewhere that discusses how culture affects
medicine. It examines the French, German, British and American medical
communities and how the differences between each arise out of their respective
cultures. Stowene' has got me cleaning the house this week, so maybe I can find
it and give you the author's name and the book's title. It's a quick read and I
think you'd enjoy it. Anyway, I'd argue that the American technological
imperative when it comes to diagnoses and treatment

>
>If Hungarians wanted to give more work, and lots and lots of money to
>lawyers and insurance companies, neither of which promote health, then they
>should choose the American system.  But I'll tell you, if  all Hungarians
>won't have, more or less, egual access to health care, they're going to ask
>the obvious question of why they opted for the "free market".

I would imagine they'll wind up with something resembling the German and
Austrian systems rather than anything like what we have here in the States.
Sam Stowe



"Taniwha is waiting for me
just below the surface of life..."
-- Split Enz

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Date: 97-03-05 21:15:10 EST

Dear Bela Bacsi:

I wrote earlier about my poresentation.  I am using as reference the
information on thet web-site.  I have edited it and made it into a nice
format for handing out - including the addresses and e-maila of the
major players.  I hope that's OK.  I am also providing your address for
more info shopuld they need it. I will forward a copy to you when done. 
Whicj format do you use WordPerfect or MSWord?

Bryan
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Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/

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Forwarded message:
From:    (HipCat)
To:     
Date: 97-03-05 21:15:10 EST

Dear Bela Bacsi:

I wrote earlier about my poresentation.  I am using as reference the
information on thet web-site.  I have edited it and made it into a nice
format for handing out - including the addresses and e-maila of the
major players.  I hope that's OK.  I am also providing your address for
more info shopuld they need it. I will forward a copy to you when done.
Whicj format do you use WordPerfect or MSWord?

Bryan
--
Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/

On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 21:01:26 -0500, Joe Szalai
> wrote:

>At 02:46 PM 3/1/97 +1100, Denes BOGSANYI wrote:
>
>>Surely there seems to be an undue concern about taxing income whereas a
>>simpler and fairer method might be to tax expenditure.
>>
>>Regards
>>Dines
>
>It's easier to avoid paying taxes when buying a service or product than it
>is when income is taxed.  Also, how would you make taxing expenditure
>progressive, as in "progressive tax"?
>
>Joe Szalai
To answer the second question first, if it is an expenditure tax than
those who spend more pay more tax. It does not have to be progressive
because if you earn a lot you either will save it, which is to be
encouraged or you will spend it, in which case the state gets its
percentage cut. As far as collection is concerned the big income
earners can and do shape their affairs that they lower their taxable
income. Sure, the small transactions can escape the net but in terms
of tax they are not worth much while the large transactions which will
net a lot of tax dollars are cought, something that I consider fairer.
I am no tax expert so can not go into the finer points of it.

Tisztelettel
Denes

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   normal

Background:
 The simultaneous integration of Romania and Hungary in the NATO is 
in the best interest of  our Transylvanian Hungarian brethrens, of 
the region and of our  peoples and countries.This was also recognized 
by the RMDSZ, by  simple citizens and by Hungarian politicians of the 
government as well as of the opposition.
  Unfortunately Romania is not mentioned when Western 
politicians talk about the NATO expansion. During the next week our 
friends from the Romanian Lobby will intensify their lobbying efforts 
for the cause of Romania's integration into the NATO in the first 
wave, along with Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland.

What to do:
  Please support the work of our Romanian friends by sending Albright 
a letter in which you express the importance of Romania's integration 
into the NATO in the first wave of the Expansion. Feel free to use 
the attached form letter. Note that Albright will only take notice if he 
receives thousands of letters. 
  Therefore please send at least one letter every day and ask your 
friends who do not have contacts to HL to do the same.

e-mail address of Albright:


*************************************************************

<date>

The Honorable Madeleine Albright,
United State Secretary of State
U.S.Department of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20520
E-Mail: )

Dear Madame Secretary:

As a member of the Hungarian Lobby I  am deeply interested in the
future of East-Central Europe, and recognize the need of simultaneous
integration of the countries of the region into the NATO. This would
stabilize the whole region, assure the orderly transition toward
democracy and market economy , without the turmoils seen in the former
Yugoslavia.

Romania, a  country of 23 milion people, with affinity toward western
culture , at the same time   represents  the best potential base of
stability in the Balkans.

The ongoing political democratization and reorganization of all
-central and local -governmental institutions, the inclusion of the
Hungarian minority in the government and the expected subsequent
satisfaction of legitimate minority claims are-and may become-
positive examples for the  countries of the region.

A look at a map of Europe shows Romania as the  gateway  to  the East.
Only through this gateway will  be possible to access the heart of
Europe, and the key to allow this gateway to stay open-and to defend
it effectively at the same time - is Romania's NATO membership.

With an important economical potential due to a large and fertile
agricultural area,its metallurgic and defense industries ready to
produce for its allies, possessing the biggest maritime port of
Eastern Europe, with multiethnic population and large urban comunities
Romania, along with Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary are the
most important future partners and allies of  the European Community
and of NATO.

For all the above considerations, I ask You, Madame Secretary of
State, to support the inclusion of Romania, along with Hungary, the
Czech Republic and Poland, into the first group of countries to be
integrated into the NATO.

Respectfully,

<name, title, address>

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   normal

Background:
 The simultaneous integration of Romania and Hungary in the NATO is in
the best interest of  our Transylvanian Hungarian brethrens, of the
region and of our  peoples and countries.This was also recognized by
the RMDSZ, by  simple citizens and by Hungarian politicians of the
government as well as of the opposition.
  Unfortunately Romania is not mentioned when Western 
politicians talk about the NATO expansion. During the next week our
friends from the Romanian Lobby will intensify their lobbying efforts
for the cause of Romania's integration into the NATO in the first
wave, along with Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland.

What to do:
  Please support the work of our Romanian friends by sending Albright
a letter in which you express the importance of Romania's integration
into the NATO in the first wave of the Expansion. Feel free to use the
attached form letter. Note that Albright will only take notice if he
receives thousands of letters. 
  Therefore please send at least one letter every day and ask your
friends who do not have contacts to HL to do the same.

e-mail address of Albright:


*************************************************************

<date>

The Honorable Madeleine Albright,
United State Secretary of State
U.S.Department of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20520
E-Mail: )

Dear Madame Secretary:

As a member of the Hungarian Lobby I  am deeply interested in the
future of East-Central Europe, and recognize the need of simultaneous
integration of the countries of the region into the NATO. This would
stabilize the whole region, assure the orderly transition toward
democracy and market economy , without the turmoils seen in the former
Yugoslavia.

Romania, a  country of 23 milion people, with affinity toward western
culture , at the same time   represents  the best potential base of
stability in the Balkans.

The ongoing political democratization and reorganization of all
-central and local -governmental institutions, the inclusion of the
Hungarian minority in the government and the expected subsequent
satisfaction of legitimate minority claims are-and may become-
positive examples for the  countries of the region.

A look at a map of Europe shows Romania as the  gateway  to  the East.
Only through this gateway will  be possible to access the heart of
Europe, and the key to allow this gateway to stay open-and to defend
it effectively at the same time - is Romania's NATO membership.

With an important economical potential due to a large and fertile
agricultural area,its metallurgic and defense industries ready to
produce for its allies, possessing the biggest maritime port of
Eastern Europe, with multiethnic population and large urban comunities
Romania, along with Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary are the
most important future partners and allies of  the European Community
and of NATO.

For all the above considerations, I ask You, Madame Secretary of
State, to support the inclusion of Romania, along with Hungary, the
Czech Republic and Poland, into the first group of countries to be
integrated into the NATO.

Respectfully,

<name, title, address>

Dear Readers:

   Unless you are Republican, you probably agree with Senator Ted Kennedy, that
the U.S. should have a health care system like that of Canada.
   If you are rich, have shares of insurance and pharmaceutical companies,
hospitals, etc., and believe to be healthy at this moment, then you would
probably favor the monopol-capitalistic private health care system of the U.S.
   Also, if you are a lawyer, as someone said, suing doctors for a living. I've
read somewhere that one third of the world's lawyers are in the United States.
   Speaking of personal experience:
   I've had a hearth attack in Salt Lake City. I've spent 7 days in the Latter-
Day Saints Hospital, receiving only medication and was charged US$8,500.
This was paid by my British Columbian M.S.P. insurance. Subsequently, I went
into the Vancouver General Hospital for angiocardography. They found that my
hearth arteries were blocked and operated on me the next day. No waiting. I
had a quadruple by-pass operation. It didn't cost me a penny. As I am
self-employed, I pay an insurance fee of Cdn$32.00 per month to the B.C.
Medical Service Plan. This fee is the same for everyone, regardless of
health risks, and the insurance can not be refused.
   Another example:
   One day my wife fainted in our living room. While I attended her, my daughte
r
called 911. Within 5 minutes, we had 8 people in our living room: 4 paramedics
from the local Fire Department with first aid kits and oxigen bottles, 2 police
-
men and 2 ambulance drivers. Within 10 minutes, we were in the emergency
room of the local hospital. Again, it didn't cost us a penny. As I
understand, this kind of service is also available in Seattle, but I don't
know at what cost. Perhaps it is available in some other American cities,
too. I don't know.
   I should mention here, that this health care system was fought for by the
New Democratic Party (a socialist party now in power in B.C.), and no
federal governments of any stripes dare to change it.
   I think the conclusion is self evident. Hungary should have a Canadian style
health care system. Period.
                                       Istvan L. Szabolcsy

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   normal

Background:
 The simultaneous integration of Romania and Hungary in the NATO is
in the best interest of  our Transylvanian Hungarian brethrens, of
the region and of our  peoples and countries.This was also recognized
by the RMDSZ, by  simple citizens and by Hungarian politicians of the
government as well as of the opposition.
  Unfortunately Romania is not mentioned when Western
politicians talk about the NATO expansion. During the next week our
friends from the Romanian Lobby will intensify their lobbying efforts
for the cause of Romania's integration into the NATO in the first
wave, along with Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland.

What to do:
  Please support the work of our Romanian friends by sending Albright
a letter in which you express the importance of Romania's integration
into the NATO in the first wave of the Expansion. Feel free to use
the attached form letter. Note that Albright will only take notice if he
receives thousands of letters.
  Therefore please send at least one letter every day and ask your
friends who do not have contacts to HL to do the same.

e-mail address of Albright:


*************************************************************

<date>

The Honorable Madeleine Albright,
United State Secretary of State
U.S.Department of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20520
E-Mail: )

Dear Madame Secretary:

As a member of the Hungarian Lobby I  am deeply interested in the
future of East-Central Europe, and recognize the need of simultaneous
integration of the countries of the region into the NATO. This would
stabilize the whole region, assure the orderly transition toward
democracy and market economy , without the turmoils seen in the former
Yugoslavia.

Romania, a  country of 23 milion people, with affinity toward western
culture , at the same time   represents  the best potential base of
stability in the Balkans.

The ongoing political democratization and reorganization of all
-central and local -governmental institutions, the inclusion of the
Hungarian minority in the government and the expected subsequent
satisfaction of legitimate minority claims are-and may become-
positive examples for the  countries of the region.

A look at a map of Europe shows Romania as the  gateway  to  the East.
Only through this gateway will  be possible to access the heart of
Europe, and the key to allow this gateway to stay open-and to defend
it effectively at the same time - is Romania's NATO membership.

With an important economical potential due to a large and fertile
agricultural area,its metallurgic and defense industries ready to
produce for its allies, possessing the biggest maritime port of
Eastern Europe, with multiethnic population and large urban comunities
Romania, along with Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary are the
most important future partners and allies of  the European Community
and of NATO.

For all the above considerations, I ask You, Madame Secretary of
State, to support the inclusion of Romania, along with Hungary, the
Czech Republic and Poland, into the first group of countries to be
integrated into the NATO.

Respectfully,

<name, title, address>

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   normal

Background:
 The simultaneous integration of Romania and Hungary in the NATO is in
the best interest of  our Transylvanian Hungarian brethrens, of the
region and of our  peoples and countries.This was also recognized by
the RMDSZ, by  simple citizens and by Hungarian politicians of the
government as well as of the opposition.
  Unfortunately Romania is not mentioned when Western
politicians talk about the NATO expansion. During the next week our
friends from the Romanian Lobby will intensify their lobbying efforts
for the cause of Romania's integration into the NATO in the first
wave, along with Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland.

What to do:
  Please support the work of our Romanian friends by sending Albright
a letter in which you express the importance of Romania's integration
into the NATO in the first wave of the Expansion. Feel free to use the
attached form letter. Note that Albright will only take notice if he
receives thousands of letters.
  Therefore please send at least one letter every day and ask your
friends who do not have contacts to HL to do the same.

e-mail address of Albright:


*************************************************************

<date>

The Honorable Madeleine Albright,
United State Secretary of State
U.S.Department of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20520
E-Mail: )

Dear Madame Secretary:

As a member of the Hungarian Lobby I  am deeply interested in the
future of East-Central Europe, and recognize the need of simultaneous
integration of the countries of the region into the NATO. This would
stabilize the whole region, assure the orderly transition toward
democracy and market economy , without the turmoils seen in the former
Yugoslavia.

Romania, a  country of 23 milion people, with affinity toward western
culture , at the same time   represents  the best potential base of
stability in the Balkans.

The ongoing political democratization and reorganization of all
-central and local -governmental institutions, the inclusion of the
Hungarian minority in the government and the expected subsequent
satisfaction of legitimate minority claims are-and may become-
positive examples for the  countries of the region.

A look at a map of Europe shows Romania as the  gateway  to  the East.
Only through this gateway will  be possible to access the heart of
Europe, and the key to allow this gateway to stay open-and to defend
it effectively at the same time - is Romania's NATO membership.

With an important economical potential due to a large and fertile
agricultural area,its metallurgic and defense industries ready to
produce for its allies, possessing the biggest maritime port of
Eastern Europe, with multiethnic population and large urban comunities
Romania, along with Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary are the
most important future partners and allies of  the European Community
and of NATO.

For all the above considerations, I ask You, Madame Secretary of
State, to support the inclusion of Romania, along with Hungary, the
Czech Republic and Poland, into the first group of countries to be
integrated into the NATO.

Respectfully,

<name, title, address>