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1 Re: Cognate words among the Altaic languages - OOPS! (mind)  41 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Former agent as PM (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  51 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  34 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: THE MULTI-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG (mind)  104 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Cognate words among the Altaic languages - OOPS! (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Cognate words among the Altaic languages - OOPS! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (Anthony Wong (LM/IB)) wrote:
>In article >  (Peter k Chong
) writes:
>
> >I won't go through naming examples in Altaic/Japanese/Korean/Uralic and 
> >Sumerian as there are lots of them, but here are some I have found 
> >between Hungarian and Japanese. 
> >
> >MO = now (Japanese)     MOST = now (Hungarian)
> >TAMAGO = egg (J.)       TOJA'S = egg (Hung.)
> >                        TYU'K = hen (Hung.)
>  ...
>>TEN- = "heavenly" (J.)  DIN-GIR = fairly, nymph (H.)
>>(like in TEN-ZAN
>>"heavanly mountain")
>
>	I think "TEN" meaning "sky/heaven" is a Chinese word,
>i.e. from the Sino-Tibetan family.  The Japanese just borrowed
>the word from China.
>
>- Anthony Wong
>  
>
Anthony, I think you're right   ---
                                 |
                               -----
                                / \
                               /   \

Oh, it shouldn't be DIN-GIR, that's Sumerian for "god, divine". In 
Hungarian its TÜNDÉR which means nymph or elf or fairy..

But then again, TEEN (Chinese), DENIZ (Turkish - ocean), CHENGIZ (Middle 
Mongolian - ocean), TENGRI (Mongol - heaven), DINGIR (Sumerian - god, 
divine), TÜNDÉR (Hungarian - elf, fairy, nymph) all sound kinda alike, 
don't you think?

Joy geen

Jung Wai Lerng
(Peter Chong)
+ - Re: Former agent as PM (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  > wrote:
| From the news:

| 
| Sure, what else would they say?  Especially since they hold all the keys
| to the files that could prove what the former judge alleges.
| 
| Joe

Hold all keys to the files that could prove or disprove what
the former judge and former collaborator alleges...
or you believe one collaborator alleging collaboration of
another based onpure  faith? Is taht the general practice of
Uj Magyarorszag?

PS. I have no idea whether or not these people were
collaborators. I however see that the Uj Magyarorszag would
like to treat them as such even if it is based on
information that cannot be confrimed and originated fropm
one we know to be a collaborator - as long as it fits their
political intention. I guess if we look back on information
about Csurka's involvment Uj Magyarorszag handled that case
the same way and with teh same standard as this one -as can
be expected from any journalistic publication with a claim
of legitmiacy.

Istvan
+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>Take note Joe, there is no word play in his post -- he is simply incapable
>of being inventive in this regard. 
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Like this is the only way to be inventive
                                    Only for you.

>                                 What you spot as wordplay is cliche.
>The phrases have been heard before, invented by others. Of course he's not
>claiming anything original in his post -- he's incapable, in spite of his
>being origanal.

Re-read Joe's post. You obviously did not get his point.

> (oops, he'll probably drop a petty nag about spelling
>here, but you get the point ;-).
>

I don't need to. It's already established that you can't spell.
+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:
>In article >,
 says...
>>
>>In article >,
>> > wrote:
>>>Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>>>>Menetrend szerint.
>>>
>>>So that sounds like surprise to you, huh?
>>>Joe
>>
>>You used to be better in detecting sarcasm. Have you ever heard: 
>>"No shit, Sherlock, what was your first clue?" 
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>The moderate version is: "You sound surprised." 
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Both mean: "You've just stated something obvious."
>>I hope this helps.
>>GK
>
>In any event Gyorgy Clichette, both are cliches. Can't you come with
>anything creatively inventive other than to repeat banal cliches?
>

Just because you don't like these expressions, it does not make them clishes. 
Just because you don't like clishes, it does not make them bad or banal.
You keep repeating the same stuff over and over.
And you call yourself original.
Or creative.
You're pathetic.
GK
+ - Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
T.M.Lutas > wrote:
| In article >, 
| (Istvan Szucs) wrote:


| 
| The one thing that was *not* in the report was a showing that there was 
| a difference in treatment.

The report specifically claimed that Gypsies were targeted.

 What has been posted so far is that Romanian 
| police officials violate human rights against gypsies and that they should 
| stop it. I tend to agree. However, to lay the claim that they are persecuted,
 
| you need to show that there is a difference between their treatment and the 
| treatment of non-gypsy criminals.

This was also claimed by the report. I'll go back and quote,
but I remember something about claims that gypsies were
targeted by authorities and civlians.

| The gypsies *do* have a higher crime rate, they *would* be hit harder by 
| a general police disregard for human rights. But if they would attack it as 
| a general disregard instead of a special problem of their ethnicity, they 
| may find themselves with a wider (and winning) coalition to stop it. 

Given the assumptions above I would agree with you. I think
howerver that there is a problem with differential system if
the report is to be believed. Now since the same problem is
prominent in many countries with significant gypsy
populations, I would tend to thin k there might be something
there.

Istvan Szucs
+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, 
 says...
>
>In article >,
> > wrote:
>>>I hope this helps.
>>
>>No, it doesn't.
>
>Well, than you have to figure it out on your own.
>
>> It only makes me grin that you, of all people should say
>>that when you picked such a fight with Wally over one of his word plays
>>with you.
>
>Which he loose. And he also proved himself to be a very poor loser.
          ^^^^^
               \
                you mean lost don't ya buttsurfer

>>Joe
>
>GK
>BTW.: You confuse insult with wordplay. If you don't remember, read Wally's 
>post on Budapest being a gay resort. That's the beginning.

After which Gayorgy Kovacuous whined about the abusive wit applied to his 
name.

In any event, just because you are not so knowledgable about gay matters 
(defective gaydar) doesn't mean you can make a knowledgable statement about 
Budapest not being a great stopover for gays. They would certainly avoid 
Romania like a meningitis plague that it is.
+ - Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Olga Lazin wrote:

> Hi there, 
> Cristi, as my server is down, this question goes via scr.
> Would you please identify the source (news) that you posted recently on  

Reuter and the Associated Press had articles. If you need them I can mail
them to you.

mc
+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, 
 says...
>In article >,
>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>In article >,
 says...
>>>
>>>In article >,
>>> > wrote:
>>>>Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>>>>>Menetrend szerint.
>>>>
>>>>So that sounds like surprise to you, huh?
>>>>Joe
>>>
>>>You used to be better in detecting sarcasm. Have you ever heard: 
>>>"No shit, Sherlock, what was your first clue?" 
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>The moderate version is: "You sound surprised." 
>>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Both mean: "You've just stated something obvious."
>>>I hope this helps.
>>>GK
>>
>>In any event Gyorgy Clichette, both are cliches. Can't you come with
>>anything creatively inventive other than to repeat banal cliches?
>>
>
>Just because you don't like these expressions, it does not make them 
>clishes. 

True, but whether I like them or not, they ARE cliches. Yawn!

>Just because you don't like clishes, it does not make them bad or banal.

Whether I like cliches or not, cliches are banal, stale.

>You keep repeating the same stuff over and over.

Because the truth is the truth is the truth -- you are incapable of 
creative, inventive wordplay. 

>And you call yourself original.
>Or creative.

I'm the one with the published books. I'm the one with reviews from other 
attesting to my originality and creativity. Tsk tsk for you Mr Clichette.

>You're pathetic.

Only to those who wallow in the vanilla pudding of banality.
+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, 
 says...
>
>In article >,
>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>
>>Take note Joe, there is no word play in his post -- he is simply incapable
>>of being inventive in this regard. 
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Like this is the only way to be 
>                                    inventive
>                                    Only for you.

It is only ONE of my ways. But your are too one dimensional to see 
otherwise.

>>                                 What you spot as wordplay is cliche.
>>The phrases have been heard before, invented by others. Of course he's not
>>claiming anything original in his post -- he's incapable, in spite of his
>>being origanal.
>
>Re-read Joe's post. You obviously did not get his point.

Nor did you since he is jumping on YOUR incompetence, not mine.

>> (oops, he'll probably drop a petty nag about spelling
>>here, but you get the point ;-).
>>
>
>I don't need to. It's already established that you can't spell.

It's already established that you are a purveyor of banalities and cliches. 
The only way you can defend your uninventive posts compared to me is to 
define my word plays as mispellings. Others recognize it for what it is -- 
wordplay.
+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Wishy-washy Willy-Wally wrote:
>>And you call yourself original.
>>Or creative.
>
>I'm the one with the published books. I'm the one with reviews from other
>attesting to my originality and creativity. Tsk tsk for you Mr Clichette.

Stalin also has published books...he also got rave reviews. And even you
probably have heard of Stalin's reputation, you dumbass. Then again, what can
anybody expect from a sexist, hyprocrite, pseudo-poet like you? (And even vous
must admit, without doubt, that these are good descriptions of you!)
BTW, Willy, why didn't you post a nice "If this isn't poetic justice, what is"
rambling on the ng? You know, when the "true North" lost (to guess who!) in
Montreal playing in the World Championship Final of Canada's favorite sport?
The Canadian elite losing in Canada! Willy, what happened!

Gabor
aka. the Friendly Vital Organ "Bland Gland" (to the Brigster and Willy)
+ - Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Albert Albu wrote:

> Yhat you have to give them is DIGNITY:
> Then you have to give them AFFIRMATIVE ACTION and some exclusive Trade
> Privileges. In the 19 century Austria gives them trade privileges and it
> worked. If NY Times is right there are 3.5M Roma in Romania. You could not
> assimilate them because they are less educated than the Romanians.
> A. Albu

If someone is commited to solving this issue honestly and fairly,
afirmative action, trade priviledges and extensive education are a
must.

These 'comitees' and 'organisations' from the western world that come
and meddle their advice in Romanian affairs, should understand that such
an extensive action requires some serious financing. If their aim is to
help solve  this unfortunate situation, and not the exclusive aim of
embarrasing Romania.

m. cristian
+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Willy wrote:
>define my word plays as mispellings. Others recognize it for what it is --
>wordplay.

Nope. I recognize it as a pseudo-poet practicing its "profession". Willy, 
you're a bigger shame to your country (whatever and where that is) than Tonya 
Harding is to the US.

Mr. Bland Gland
+ - Re: THE MULTI-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (Istvan Szucs) wrote:


> Judith Toth wrote:
> 
> >         Ehrenburg's incidentary writings certainly contributed in no small
> > measure to the orgy of murder and rape by Soviet soldiers against
> > German [...AND HUNGARIANS!!! -J Toth] civilians.
> >         Until his death in 1967, "his support  for the Soviet state, and fo
r
>| > Stalin, never wavered," the Canadian Jewish News notes. His loyalty
> > and service were acknowledged in 1952 when he received the Stalin
> > Prize.
> >
> >         This new revelation about one of the most influential figures of th
e
> > Stalinist regime shows that, whatever he may have said for public
> > consumption, Ehrenburg never privately disavowed Zionism or ever
> > forgot his ancestry.

>How so? While I disagree with a lot of claims and attitudes
>of Zionism, I don't see how from what you said here would
>mean that this man was a Zionist. In fact in Stalinist
>USSR Zionism was ruthlessly prosecuted.

>Istvan
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
-----------------------
Istvan Szucs wrote:

How so? While I disagree with a lot of claims and attitudes
>of Zionism, I don't see how from what you said here would
>mean that this man was a Zionist. In fact in Stalinist
>USSR Zionism was ruthlessly prosecuted.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
-----------------------
ANSWER: 
	Ehrenburg took all his mistery - his Jewishness, his religion, his
political views -   with him to the grave, didn't he? Just like
stalinist Kaganovich did... When he died his  family move to Israel.
(This was also reported by the Can. J. News)
	COMMUNISM OR ZIONISM?
	"It is well known in History that at the time of the Revolution some
3/4 of the Bolshevists leaders were  Jewish... When the Bolsheviki
came into power, all over Petrograd we at once had a predominance of
Yiddish proclamations, big posters and everything in Yiddish." - said
dr. Simons, Pastor of the Methodist Church in Petrograd decades ago.)
	The Jewish Chronicle of London wrote on April 4th, 1919:
	"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonnant
with many of the highest ideals of Judaism." 
	 Article 124 of the Soviet Constitution says:
"Freedom to perform religious rites and freedom of anti-religious
propaganda is recognized for all citizens."
	In Article 123: 
	"Any direct or indirect restriction of these rights... as well as any
propagation of racial or national exceptionalism or hatred and
contempt is punishable by law."
	
	Today it is  politically correct to say that "in Stalinist USSR
Zionism was ruthlessly prosecuted."  [Indeed, it is considered  a
hate-crime to say otherwise!]  - The fight between Communists and
Zionists has lasted right down to the present day. But is it really
and truly a fight... or only a power struggle between brothers?
History is there to clear the air!....
	Without being labelled would anyone dare on this discussion group to
enumerate the bankers and industrials who actually financed the
Bolshevik Revolution? Can anyone say how much money was involved? For
example:  The British War Cabinet issued its official White Paper
listing Kuhn, Loeb & Co. and other Zionist bankers who financed Red
Russian Revolution. Does anyone know the life story of Armand Hammer
or Robert Maxwell?...
	When the state of Israel was born, tens of thousands of Zionists were
PERMITTED to emigrate from Russia and satellite territories to
Palestine, in a move which still continues today... It should also be
noted  that  during this time  non-Jews were never permitted to
emigrate from Communist Russia 
	It is also true that the Communist  authorities have been exceedingly
reluctant to permit young Jews to emigrate and in many cases
permission has been denied. It always boils down to the question of
power struggle. Because the Soviet State has already spent so much
money on young Jews'  education, their  reluctance to let them leave
to another country  is quite understandable. This is called
"brain-drain". Thus the fight continues. But we should remember that
this is a fight between Jews! Whether Communists or Zionists, they
still retain their Jewishness and they stand united against all
non-Jews. They travel different paths, and of course not all Jews are
Communists or not all of them are Zionists either, however, both
Communism and Zionism happened have the same common goal...
	Chaim Weizmann once stated:
	"We are one people despite the ostensible rift, cracks and differences
between the American and Soviet democracies. We are one people and it
is not in OUR INTERESTS that the West should liberate the East, for in
doing this and in liberating the enslaved nations, the West would
inevitably deprive Jewry of the Eastern half of its world power."
	And believe me Mr.  Szucs, there is much more stuff on this
subject!...
Judit Toth
http://www.infobahnos.com/~jtoth
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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+ - Re: Cognate words among the Altaic languages - OOPS! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Peter k Chong wrote:

 > 
 >Oh, it shouldn't be DIN-GIR, that's Sumerian for "god, divine". In 
 >Hungarian its TÜNDÉR which means nymph or elf or fairy..
 > 
 >But then again, TEEN (Chinese), DENIZ (Turkish - ocean), CHENGIZ (Middle 
 >Mongolian - ocean), TENGRI (Mongol - heaven), DINGIR (Sumerian - god, 
 >divine), TÜNDÉR (Hungarian - elf, fairy, nymph) all sound kinda alike, 
 >don't you think?
 > 
 >Joy geen
 > 
 > Jung Wai Lerng
 > (Peter Chong)
 > 
 > 

chengiz (chenggiz, chenggis) is a loanword in mongolian from turkic. 
tenger (sea) is a hunno-turkic loanword in hungarian.
deniz (ist. dial.) / dengiz / tengiz (sea) is common turkic, thus pointing 
out to *tengir2 (mongol has r for this phoneme).
tengri (another mongolian form is tengeri) is also found in turkic,
which has a form with back vowels also (chuvash and osman, yakut has 
tangara).

RK

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