I need a private investigator in Budapest, 
if  youknow how I can find one email me.
Very important

aheringer wrote:

> 
> Talan a Zoli Fekete tud valamit csinalni.  Ugy tudom, van olyan, hogy
> valakit ki lehet uzni egy listarol a serverjen keresztul.  Istvan,
> sohasem gondoltam volna, hogy valamiben is valaha egyetertunk!
> 
> Agnes

Agnes jo az otleted! Ez az illeto csak provokal a racist tipusu
cikkeivel. En a cenzura ellen vagyok altalaban, de szerintem
nekunk ez nem hianyzik. How about it Zoli ? 

                    Mark

In article >,  (hargitai) wrote:

>  (Alexander N. Bossy) writes:
> 
> >Any specific reason why?  After all, she's got a democratic
> >government, respects minority rights, and is in the process of
> >reforming her economy.  All of these are *major* changes from the
> >neo-communist regime, and should be rewarded.
> 
> I've been enjoying you fine comments on the net for years, however,
> I don't know what to make of this. Do you really think the NATO
> membership is a reward/punishment, as opposed to real-politik?

If NATO membership is real-politik then Romania's membership has even greater 
weight behind it. 

With both Hungary and Romania in NATO, how would Russia be able to 
rekindle mischief in the former territory of Yugoslavia? 

If Turkey slides further toward Islamicization and starts looking more 
towards Iran than the US as a model how is NATO going to keep open its 
Black Sea options other than from Romanian ports.

How could Balkan stability be assured with Romania out of NATO and Hungary 
in. It's a clear recipe for stirring up both ambition and paranoia. Is there 
a more dangerous mix in the Balkans?

Romania, over its history, has a clear record of doing whatever it takes 
to maintain the maximum degree of independence no matter how black the 
choices were. Take a look at both world wars for fairly recent examples. 
Could a Romania outside of NATO, that is, outside of security guarantees, 
afford to leave its military nuclear program shut down? 

No. Romania will get in if it is a matter of real-politik *if* the 
current NATO governments are educated and receive encouragement from those 
who live there that Romania admission would be smart.

DB

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On Fri, 07 Mar 1997 13:26:15 -0800, Laszlo Horvath 
> wrote:
>
>It's incredible that someone, living in Ohio, USA, emailing from an email 
>address, having ".edu" part of that address, speaking with a language 
>right out of some Gus Hall type of pamphlet or out of the pages of the 
>bolshaia encyclopedia (the Soviet/Stalinist/communist version of 
>history).

Quite the contrary, Laszlo!  It's entirely consistent that such voices
should come from American educational institutions.  Where do you think
most leftists are "hiding" in the US?  That's right!  ... and supported
by the American taxpayers.

Joe Pannon
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It is a coincidence, because Slovakia is not joining NATO,
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Subject: NATO candidates
Date: 7 Mar 1997 05:24:08 GMT
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I wonder if it's pure coincidence that the three NATO candidates
mentioned most often as being invited in the first round of accession
are those countries that demonstarted active resistance against their
former Communist regimes.

Poland, of course, was in the forefront of it during most of her
post-war history and her 1956 Posnan events served as the catalyst
for igniting the Hungarian Uprising of the same year.
Then there was the 1968 Prague Spring, of course. None of the other
former East Bloc countries can show up any such events as these.

Do you think these events are paramount in the minds of Western leaders
in leaning toward these three countries or those events are just the
byproduct of the Western orientation of those countries and it's that
orientation that is appreciated by those Western leaders?

Joe Pannon
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On 4 Mar 1997 20:30:58 -0500,  (hargitai) wrote:

 (Alexander N. Bossy) writes:
>
>>Any specific reason why?  After all, she's got a democratic
>>government, respects minority rights, and is in the process of
>>reforming her economy.  All of these are *major* changes from the
>>neo-communist regime, and should be rewarded.
>
>I've been enjoying you fine comments on the net for years,

Thank you.

> however,
>I don't know what to make of this. Do you really think the NATO
>membership is a reward/punishment, as opposed to real-politik?

I think that it's a combination of the two.  For example, the only
reason that the Baltic Republics aren't on the short list for
membership is because of Russian opposition.  Nevertheless, NATo has
used NATO membership as a carrot/stick to encourage the Central
European countries into resolving their own underlining conflicts --
Romania and Hungary being prime examples.

On a strategic level, I also think that it is very strongly in NATO's
favor to take Romania in:  it effectively blocks Russia from the
Balkans.  Sticking in Hungary as well (and there is no doubt that
Hungary is going to be invited in this year) finishes the construction
of a firewall that will allow the peoples of the hard-Balkan countries
to remove their uniformally unpleasant governments.

Since Romania now has a democratic government dedicated to reversing
the evil policies of Iliescu on everything from human rights to
political pluralism to economic reform, it is both in the West's
strategic and ideological interests in embracing her.  (Of course,
I've been saying the same thing about Hungary, Poland, and the Czech
Republic since at leat 1990.)

Alexander

I have edited my return address in order to avoid the
gross excess in junk e-mail infesting the net. 
To e-mail me, just remove the word spamfree
from my address.

A rendőr éppen a logikát tanulja a rendőriskolában, de nem érti, ezért
megkéri az egyik barátját, hogy magyarázza el neki. A barát el is vállalja,
s
megpróbálja rávezetni a rendőrt.
-Van akváriumod?
-Igen.
-Ezek szerint halaid is vannak?
-Ez fantasztikus, hogy találtad ki?
-Ezek szerint te szereted a társaságot.
-Igen.
-Tehát valószínűleg van feleséged és gyermekeid is.
-Igen.
-Ezek szerint te nem vagy buzi.
A rendőr csodálattal néz fel barátjára, s siet elmondani egy másik
rendőrnek a tanultakat, aki szintén nem értette a dolgot. El is kezdi
felmondani a leckét:
-Van akváriumod?
-Nincs.
-Akkor te buzi vagy.

 wrote
> Hat nem tudom ...  Ez a modszer ugyanis egy ketelu fegyver.

Ugy latszik, hogy elertem az eredmenyt mert csak harmat, nem nyolcat
kuldott.  Az elozo nyolc egyforma uzenete bombazas volt.  En csak
vissza-bombaztam.  Eleg gyors a modem-em es nem tartott sokaig.

Mem muszaly mindenkinek egyszerre megkoszonni.

Istvan

pavol > wrote in article
>...
> It is a coincidence, because Slovakia is not joining NATO,
> yet it played a full part in 1968.
>                                      Pavol

I think that Slovakia's recent human rights record has a lot to do with
getting snubbed by NATO.  The recently passed laws, designed to oppress the
ethnic Hungarians, does not bode well for Slovakia.  

These oppressive laws are an indication that Slovakia is not ready to join
the civilized world.  However, these laws can be easily rescinded and
Slovakia can join the civilized world.

Poland, on the other hand, is one of the most socially progressive,
enlightened countries in Europe. 

Istvan

In article >,
 () wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:13:41 -0500, Gabor Barsai
> wrote:
> >In article >, 
> >(RT765) wrote:
> >
> >> My ancestors were the ROMANS,yours were the HUNS.(NON EUROPEANS).
> >
> >But the romans were not from Europe, honey bunny. They were part of the
> >Indo-European tribe that migrated from India (hence the name Indo in
> >Indo-European) and, they invaded the land of the Etruscans, an original
> >European people (like the Basques). And what did the noble romans do to
> 
> If you put it that way, he just might rethink the Daco-Roman Continuity
> theory. ;-)
> 
> Joe Pannon

Well, obviously I may be mistaken. I took this from a National Geographic
article, so it's as accurate as that. As I remember, the article showed
the "original" Indo-European "homeland" as bordering the Caucasus, 
western Asia Minor, and what is now western India. I guess the guys in
Asia minor moved into Europe, the Caucasians moved north and the guys in
India moved east as times passed. (??) 

Gabor

One last reminder.
On March 7th at 7:30.  Corner of Percy and Fourth Ave.
The TULIPAN HUNGARIAN DANCERS will be holding there benefit annual concert
This year again we are making a donation to the church.  Some of the money
will be used for curtains, lights, wooden stage.  Within the group we will
send children to camp, and again in the next year have teachers come from
Hungary.
For only $10.00 Adults, $8.00 Seniors and Students you can see our show
With guest performers from Hungary, Montreal and Toronto
OUr dance group will introduce the dancers from 2-35.
Please join us on the 7th, Tanc Haz will follow afterwards.
Sausages, pastries and drinks are available.
As well a nice display of arts anf crafts, and costumes which can be purchased
We hope to see you there!  Tickets are available at the door.

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In article >, Yury Mukharsky
> wrote:

> Dick Smegma wrote:
> 
> > > > > > Just stop for a minute and imagine that you live on one street
with a
> > > > > > rapist, murderer and a robber. Would you feel safe even if the guy
> > > was
> > > > > > sort of quiet for a few years?
> > > >
> > > > Why are you so hard on poor Germany?
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > Germany = quiet for fifty years
> > 
> > Russia = quiet for five years (not including Chechnya)
> > 
> > Who should be more feared?
> 
> Germany. Recidive is about to be due.


I wouldn't doubt it.  Russia couldn't get any worse than it is now. 
Germany, on the other hand, has rising unemployment, a stagnant economy
that is about to undergo further belt-tightening, and a huge immigrant
population, mainly Turks.  History tells us the Germans are good at
persecuting their scapegoats...

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