Joe Pannon writes:

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Oh joy, our very own Job's comforter.

--Greg

Joe Pannon writes:
>
> > Just in case someone missed it, the November 8th, 1994 issue of Financial
> > World has a cover story on George Soros and the Quantum and other Soros Fun
d
> > Management funds.
>
> Financial World?  I don't think I've seen a paper by that name.
>
It's actually a magazine. The cover says "FW" as in "GQ" with Financial
World in smaller type. November 8, 1994 Volume 163, No. 23. The title of
the article is "Porous Soros  The alchemist loses his touch".

Steve Kovacs

The HungarHotels was one of the first companies attracting foreign
investment in Hungary as long ago as the 70s as far as I know.
The Duna Intercontinental and the Forum hotel was some sort of
joint venture, than more followed suit. The company was a major
foreign currency earner, and fairly profitable.
There were  scandals already about trying to flog the company
for peanuts - afterall Hungary was/is havily into Thatcher(ism).
In which country/ever any gain from any privatisation of national
assets benefitted Social Security recipients? I know, this is a
different question... 


> Hospitality and Intercontinental) can buy a holding interest in the
> Hungar Hotels group.
>
> I would be grateful if anyone has ANY information they can give
> me on the curent situation.  Is the money accrued from the sell-off
> going towards the Social Security budget deficit?
> Dr Tony MALTBY

> consumers.  I do agree:  no better system has been developed.  Tinkering by
> the government has helped more than hurt.
>
Are there any philosophers/sociologists/politicians/economists
working on a better system? Shouldn't this be their major occupation
before this (rotting!!) one bury us all? Do you all think we survive the
next few decades if things are just going on the same?
(Hungary is also on this planet. I think.) 

Does anyone know where I may pick up some Hungarian FONTS for Windows?
If yes, please email me at




thanks ahead of time


Damir Matanic

On Mon, 7 Nov 1994  wrote:

> Imi Bokor writes:
>
> >it seems to me that the difference between american and english is great
> >enough
> >to consider them as distinct but related languages, rather than simply
> >different
> >dialects.
>

> And let's add Australian English. That must be the reason why Imre Bokor and
> I don't understand each other: he speaks the Australian dialect and I the
> American, mixing it a little with the Canadian variety.
>
> Eva Balogh
>
>
Surely, American English and Australian English are just slightly unpure
versions of the Queen's English. If you were to go to Glasgow or
Liverpool, in the United Kingdom, you would find most of the inhabitants
speaking a form of
English that has deviated, more than that of either of the two colonial
forms, from the celebrated Queen's version.

C.Rimmer

On Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:48:21 +0000 C.R.Rimmer said:
>>
>Surely, American English and Australian English are just slightly unpure
>versions of the Queen's English. If you were to go to Glasgow or
>Liverpool, in the United Kingdom, you would find most of the inhabitants
>speaking a form of
>English that has deviated, more than that of either of the two colonial
>forms, from the celebrated Queen's version.
>
--Or parts of Yorkshire.  Or even in some neighborhoods in Nottingham.

Charles

In the years 1983-87 hospital/health care in our area (Somogy)
compared well.     I don't claim that we were not just
lucky, elsewhere conditions could have been worse, though I can't
recall any horrorstories.   My son's meningitis was recognised
in good time by the local doctor and ambulance arrived in 20 minutes.
(There was only one telephone in the village besides the post
office's, an emergency one), the hospital care (Kaposvar) was
marvellous. (He made good recovery)
I had sixmonthly very thorough free cancerscreening
while we lived there. So far I couldn't find equal to that
here in the UK.
With the market economy, things only improved, no doubt...



>
> Can anyone give me any insight into what hospitals and health care are
> like in Hungary?  My Grandmother who lives there died recently and we
> (over here in Canada) are concerned about the circumstances
> surrounding her death.  What about laws governing death certificates
> etc...do "they" have to record the CAUSE of death on the death
> certificate?
>
> Any help or information will be appreciated.
>
>
> Sandra
> 

Hospitals are certainly more congested, negligence may exist but autopsy
is routinely performed on people who died in hospitals - that was my
impression up to four years ago. You can certainly ask for an autopsy
report. The death certificate does not necessarily elaborate on the
cause of death - it is issued by a registry office once you get the
hospital report. Regional variations may influence the bureaucratic
procedures. Nora

There will be  a commemorative exhibition
at the Embassy of the Republic of Hungary:

                        Lajos Kossuth
              in the centennial of his death

Special exhibit from the Kossuth-collection of the Szathmary Family.
Opening on Friday, December 2nd, 1994 at 7pm

RSVP
(202)362-6730 Acceptances only!

2950 Spring of Freedom Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C.

The exhibit is open to the public 3rd-4th of December,
from 12:00 noon till 5:00 pm
admission is free

Please, help me if you can.

I need iformation on how to find e-mail address in Hungary.
In fact, I need address of University of Szombathely, but I will appreciate
any data on Universities/colleges e-mails in Hungary.
I feel I will be able to manage to find it somehow.

Thanks in advance

Contact me at       directly

A.Kozlov

In article >,
Joe Pannon  > wrote:
>Sandra:
>
>> Can anyone give me any insight into what hospitals and health care are
>> like in Hungary?  My Grandmother who lives there died recently and we
>> (over here in Canada) are concerned about the circumstances
>> surrounding her death.  What about laws governing death certificates
>> etc...do "they" have to record the CAUSE of death on the death
>> certificate?
>
>Forget it.  Malpractice law suits are not something the doctors have to
>worry there about.  My father also died in misterious circumstances in
>one of the hospitals there, while in a routine, 2-day visit.  His
>roommates told my mother (making a routine visit there next morning) about
>his excruciating last few hours of his life.  In his pain my dad scraped
>the wall with his finger nails so hard that it was still bloody
>from it when my mother saw his dead body there covered with white
>sheet.  No hospital personal cared about his suffering.  This was in 1978,
>but I don't think it's much better now, save few hospitals wich now may have
>sister nurses.
>
>I would not like to get into hospital there.

Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. I have a lot of
relatives in Hungary, and many of them have spent time in hungarian
hospitals. There is nothing wrong with the way they handle people there.
I understand that your experience in 1978 (16 years ago...) made you
feel very negative about hungarian healthcare, but a lot of things have
happened since then, and the care today is about as good as in Sweden
(where I live). And it's free.

/stefan

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 writes:
>I have seen several postings on bit.listserv.hungary,
>that actually reached the listserver, though never appeared
>on "HIX HUNGARY". Is this a new version of some technical
>glitch, or someone edits the  content of the "HUNGARY" postings.
>(censorship :-)  )

There are three independent mechanisms here: the LISTSERV at George
Washington University, which is the primary source of the HUNGARY mailing
list, Usenet, and HIX. As usual with large LISTSERV lists, when there is
enough interest, a group bit.listserv.whatever is also propagated through
usenet. This is intended as an ancillary/convenience mechanism (any site
that has a newsfeed will also be able to recieve e-mail, at least uucp mail
if nothing else) and generally only clueless newbies post to bit.listserv
groups. In addition, HIX also receives the postings from the LISTSERV,
digestifies, and sends it out to subscribers of , and also
provides a (delayed) way of posting to the LISTSERV. (As yet another level
of convenience, the HIX digest of HUNGARY, like the rest of HIX, also gets
posted on soc.culture.magyar.) So there is no technical glitch, no
censorship, nothing out of the ordinary: those who really want to reach the
whole readership of HUNGARY should simply send their messages to
, and in due time these messages will also show up on
bit.listserv.hungary, HIX, and s.c.m. One could ask why is there no feedback
from usenet to the LISTSERV, but the answer is simple: usenet does not have
a single authentic source. What shows up at one site can be quite different
from what you see at some other site, due to network delays and glitches.

Andra1s Kornai

Nora writes:

> Hospitals are certainly more congested, negligence may exist but autopsy
> is routinely performed on people who died in hospitals - that was my
> impression up to four years ago.

They did perform it on my father, too.  That's how we found out that he
was given the wrong treatment.

BTW, my cousin died in the same hospital (Tetenyi uti Korhaz) two years
later after an accident from which he was recovering nicely.  I've heard
about quite a few stories like this from back home.  This does not mean
that there were no good and caring doctors and nurses there, but like in
most state establishments, there was too much lack of concern and care.
I hope that has changed for the better lately.  However, as long as
doctors and nurses expect to be paid under the table considerable sums
of money from the patients up front, I have my doubts.

Joe

Stefan wrote:

> Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. I have a lot of
> relatives in Hungary, and many of them have spent time in hungarian
> hospitals. There is nothing wrong with the way they handle people there.

Oh don't give me this BS, Stefan!  How do YOU know anything about it?  You
think I would badmouth them if it wasn't so?  Your relatives were probably
luckier than mine, or gave more up-front bribe money to the hospital
personnel perhaps.

Joe Pannon