Below is continued email harassment by notorious forger Nikki Sandru from
his forged origination address, via telnet from his employers offices:

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Subject: Daily reminder: stop slandering me!

This is an automatic reminder sent daily in response for your slandering
and libelling me on Usenet. The reminder will be sent as long as the
offending posting is present in the newsspool of the sandes.dk. You can
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The posting in question is appended below.

The Auto-Reminder Daemon

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Subject: New, 70K web page for gypsy forger Nikki Sandru
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Readers of this newsgroup are advised that the internet forger and
harasser, gypsy Nikki Sandru has an updated web page at:

	http://www.lrcser.it/netscum/sandrun0.html
and
	http://www.fileita.it/netscum/sandrun0.html

with complete examples of his forgery and harassment on the internet.

Nikki can also be reached at:

>Nick Sandru - System administrator  | e-mail:       (office)
>Columbus Space Station SDE Project  |              (home)
>Computer Resources International A/S| phone:+45 45 82 21 00 x2036(office)
>Bregnerodvej 144                    |         +45 47 98 06 27      (home)
>DK-3460 Birkerod, Denmark           | fax:    +45 45 82 17 11

or simply complain to his employer from which he telnets during duty hours:

	Carl Bro Civil and Transportation
	Granskoven 8
	DK-2600 Glostrup
	Tel.: +45 43 45 99 99   or +45 43 48 60 60
	Fax.: +45 43 63 65 67   or +45 43 48 66 60
	E-mail:   or 

Below is continued publication ofemail harassment by notorious forger Nikki
Sandru from his forged origination address, via telnet from his employer's
offices:

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Received: from ns.cybercity.dk [194.16.56.1] by mx01.ny.us.ibm.net id
851960093.92676-1 Mon Dec 30 15:34:53 1996
Received: from localhost.cybercity.dk by vip.cybercity.dk via ESMTP
(940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO)
	for > id QAA09841; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:14:40 +0100
Received: (from ) by localhost.cybercity.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12)
with UUCP id QAA13174 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:09:35 +0100
Received: (from ) by katmai.sandes.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id
QAA08715 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:00:16 +0100
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:00:16 +0100
Message-Id: >
To: 
From: Auto-Reminder Daemon >
Subject: Daily reminder: stop slandering me!

This is an automatic reminder sent daily in response for your slandering
and libelling me on Usenet. The reminder will be sent as long as the
offending posting is present in the newsspool of the sandes.dk. You can
stop the mailing of these reminders by cancelling your posting that
caused them.

The posting in question is appended below.

The Auto-Reminder Daemon

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From: 
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.magyar,soc.culture.romanian,misc.transport.rail.europe,misc.news.in
ternet.discuss,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: New, 70K web page for gypsy forger Nikki Sandru
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:43:31 GMT
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Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299


Readers of this newsgroup are advised that the internet forger and
harasser, gypsy Nikki Sandru has an updated web page at:

	http://www.lrcser.it/netscum/sandrun0.html
and
	http://www.fileita.it/netscum/sandrun0.html

with complete examples of his forgery and harassment on the internet.

Nikki can also be reached at:

>Nick Sandru - System administrator  | e-mail:       (office)
>Columbus Space Station SDE Project  |              (home)
>Computer Resources International A/S| phone:+45 45 82 21 00 x2036(office)
>Bregnerodvej 144                    |         +45 47 98 06 27      (home)
>DK-3460 Birkerod, Denmark           | fax:    +45 45 82 17 11

or simply complain to his employer from which he telnets during duty hours:

	Carl Bro Civil and Transportation
	Granskoven 8
	DK-2600 Glostrup
	Tel.: +45 43 45 99 99   or +45 43 48 60 60
	Fax.: +45 43 63 65 67   or +45 43 48 66 60
	E-mail:   or 

Tom Trasente wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know anything about Ferenc Deak?  1803-1876.  Does anyone
> know where I could find detailed info on him?  I would be grateful for
> any help I can get.
> 
> 


In addition to any modern Hungarian history book, there is also a 
book in English: Francis Deak- Hungarian Statesman- A Memoir.
With  a Preface by Mountstuart E. Grant Duff,MP- London, Macmillan
and Co. 1880. I have a copy in my library, if there is any very 
specific item that you are checking.

		John Bugosh

The first ever recorded UFO sighting in Hungary and the first ever
abducted(used to be) human
from Hungary:The GYIKhal at http://www.flash.net/~gyikhal2

I realize that this is not in the line of your message.. however I am
desperate for help.  Anyone have any leads to help concerning AOL and
uploading Microsofts Front Page to membere "my place" area??  please reply
to 

Cindy

Murat Kalinyaprak wrote:

 
> Below are the Sumerian words that have been compared to
> Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and Mongolian. 

<clip, clip...>
 
Can you please tell me where to find the Finnish words compared with
those Sumerian words? 
Could be very interesting...

Jarva, Jyväskylä, Finland

(Charles M. Vamossy) wrote:
> In > 
> >If we could agree for a common view on this kind of issues it could be
> an
> >important contribution to an "ideology of reconciliation".
> >
> >In my opnion if we don't tackle those sensitive issues we will not
> have
> >a healthy base on which to build a new Romanian-Hungarian
> relationship.
> >And the recent momentum will be simply a "momentum" that will rapidly
> >vanish.

> While I don't disagree about the necessity of a discussion on
> Transylvania's past, it would be perhaps more productive to discuss the
> present and the future. We cannot change the past, just learn from it.
> The future is still our to mold.

 When I first joined the Transylvania threads, I was struck by the
fact that Hungarians and Romanians of obviously good will had
dramatically different versions of our common history.  It was clear
from the tone of many of the posts that the author was trying to reach
out and accomodate the other side.  However, unintentionally, they
succeded in raising the hackels of the other side.  By talking these
issues through, and by dealing with the underlying historical
tensions, accepting that neither side was perfect, learning what 
parts of the past cause the most concern today, and trying to minimize
that concern we can, and I think that we have, been building the
framework for Hungarian-Romanian reconciliation.

Certainly, those of us on the usenet are disproportionately young,
educated and in the respective diasporas, however our views can (and
I'm certain are) perculating down into the other strata of society.

I don't pretend that it will be easy -- a thousand years of conflict
*is* a long time.  However, the central concerns of both sides (fear
of Hungarian revanchism among Romanians, and fear of ethnic
persecution by Romanians on the part Hungarians) can, and are, being
addressed.  The fact that we are discussing these issues, and doing so
without resorting to the kinds of calls for genocide that marked the
Yugoslav newsgroups during their civil war, nor the threats of
genocide that mark too many of the ex-Soviet newsgroups as ethnic 
conflicts bubble up there, shows that there is a pervassive
understanding on both sides of our ethnic divide that we need to solve
our conflicts once and for all, and start treating each other as
legitimate neighbors.  Even if Hungarian-Romanian reconciliation goes
no farther than that, it still means that we shall bequeath our
children a far better future than we inherited. :-)

> Are ethnic Romanians and Hungarians (and a number of other ethnic
> groups) going to respect each other's right to live freeley and
> prosper?  Will the government make the right decisions to give citizens
> a chance to start and build businesses?

With the election of a new democratic government in Romania, I feel
certain that the answer is yes.  After all, the Hungarians are a
junior partner in this government, while the pseudo-fascists were the
junior partners under the neo-communist government.

> Will Romania's proximity to
> Hungary turn out to be an advantage for trade?
> 
> Hungary has benefited greatly from foreign investment in the last 6
> years, while Romania has missed out on the Wewstern boon.

Not suprising.  Communism doesn't make a very attractive investment 
environment.  Now that Romania has finally gotten a democratic
government, she can use the Hungarian, Czech and Polish experiences to
try and avoid some of the pitfalls that marked privatization and
democratization of those countries.  That should make Romania a more
attractive investment opportunity than those countries were at the
same stage in their reforms.

> Will the new
> government in Romania provide a safe and fertile ground for the seeds
> of free market economy?  If yes, both countries will benefit...

That is certainly part of the Contract with Romania, so all
indications are that it will.

Alexander