Well, the voting attraction of the-ex-communists seems to signal, that there
were numerous features even in the deformed, totalitarian socialism
that was recorded by social memory as prefereble, just imagine, if
it were the real thing!



> This is interesting. I thought that the 'modern' communists are actually
> denying any relationship, connection with the 'existing' (or more accurately
> existed) socialism. They keep saying, as Eva Durant did on this list, that
> it has nothing to do with the 'REAL' one (which is still about to come).
> Now, at least according to Joe, we should have nostalgy for that bad,
 distorted
> pseudo-socialism?!?
>
> J.Zs
>

Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> At 05:48 PM 6/14/97 -0400, "Amos J. Danube" wrote:
>
> >I haven't seen  the underlined
> >excuse since my daughter tried something similar,she was 5 years old.She
> >became a responsible person through the years. What happened to you,Joe?
> >Are you ever going to reach that stage in your life?
>
> And eventually turn out like you?  I hope not!  I have an esthetic aversion
> to stuffiness.

   Usual as ever, when you don't have anything to argue with, Joe, you
decide
to hit below the belt.  But this is your style of "discussion".  This is
sad,
but not surprising.
                      Amos

Dear Colleagues,

One of the projects of the New York Roundtable is to ask Mayor Giuliani to
rename a section of 2nd Avenue in New York: "Freedomfighters' Avenue."

A task force is being formed to work towards that goal. We would like that
task force to consist of 2nd generation Hungarians. For that reason, I would
like to receive the addresses of young Hungarian-Americans (from the
tri-state area), who might be interested, so that I could invite them to the
next meeting of the Roundtable.

Best regards: Bela Liptak

At 09:40 PM 6/14/97 -0400, Peter Hidas wrote:

>I wander how many of us were so clean of communist indoctrination upon
>leaving Hungary. Of course it depends how many years one lived under Rakosi
>and/or Kadar, age, education, location, family background etc. Most
>immigrants are originally quite critical of their receiving country. Give
>the young lady of Ontario a few years, time to learn and to mature.

        As usual I agree with you but the fact is that the "lady in
question" must have been in Canada at least for five years because she was
eligible to vote. After five years I felt quite adjusted to my new
surroundings and I would say most people are. ESB

At 05:48 PM 6/14/97 -0400, "Amos J. Danube" wrote:

<snip>
>   Good old, Joe.  Alway trying to avoid responsibility. You have posted
>the article only because  it listed all those who seem  to oppose the US
>on limitig NATO's expension.

I posted the article because;
1)it had some new information on NATO expansion
2)it was the only article on NATO in Friday's Record
3)my previous quote on NATO expansion from the Record was well received
4)I knew it would upset you
5)that's what the anti-American cadres were asked to do

>Until now you were  against the extension,
>now you are criticizing  the size of it.

And now you're accusing me of being a size queen.  Is there no end to your
venom?

>I haven't seen  the underlined
>excuse since my daughter tried something similar,she was 5 years old.She
>became a responsible person through the years. What happened to you,Joe?
>Are you ever going to reach that stage in your life?

And eventually turn out like you?  I hope not!  I have an esthetic aversion
to stuffiness.

>   Is Canada going  to pay  what some say  will be a  very expensive ex-
>expansion? Heck no! If it turns out to be really expensive, we will have
>to pay for it and Canada is going to look the other way.

Is the United States ever going to pay its long overdue debt to the United
Nations?

>   But you know all that.You just love to be contrary and want to appear
>to be a concerned citizen. Well, you can fool some of the people ...
>                                                                    Amos

C'mon, Amos.  Just say it.  You think I'm a prick, don't you?

Joe Szalai

"You can fool all the people all the time if the advertising is right and
the budget is big enough."
            --- Joseph E. Levine

At 08:16 AM 6/15/97 -0400, Bela Liptak wrote:

>Dear Colleagues,
>
>One of the projects of the New York Roundtable is to ask Mayor Giuliani to
>rename a section of 2nd Avenue in New York: "Freedomfighters' Avenue."

What does "Freedomfighters' Avenue" have to do with Hungary?

Just about anyone can describe themselves as "freedomfighters".  The
Ayatollah Khomeini was a freedomfighter.  He fought all his life for the
freedom to live in a strict Islamic state.  The Duvalier's were
freedomfighters because they fought to rule Haiti the way they saw fit.
And on and on.  All struggles are for freedom from, or freedom to.  It has
nothing to do with Hungary or Hungarians, per se.

If a Hungarian context is needed, why not call it, "October 23 Avenue", or
"Hungarian Revolution Avenue"?

Joe Szalai

"Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their
etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the
dust of habit."
         --- Salman Rushdie